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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

#642: Building Bitcoin Policy with Yaël Ossowski

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8764 Ratings

🗓️ 21 July 2025

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Marty sits down with Yael, a fellow at the Bitcoin Policy Institute, to discuss the intersection of Bitcoin, AI, and energy policy, the importance of negative rights versus positive rights in legislation, the problems with the Bank Secrecy Act, and practical policy priorities for protecting Bitcoin users and developers.

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0:00.0

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

0:10.0

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

0:16.0

So it's all acting like safe haven.

0:18.0

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their

0:23.5

currency, Bitcoin wins.

0:25.3

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

0:29.2

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

0:31.8

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

0:36.4

Yeah, yeah, everything is fake.

0:40.2

It didn't really, it's everything is made of plastic.

0:43.3

It's covered over, papered over in some function.

0:46.0

It's all fake.

0:46.8

So is it paper Bitcoin summer, plastic summer.

0:49.4

It's all of them rolled into one.

0:51.0

It really is.

0:51.7

It's the only thing we can trust is, uh, is the ledger itself in the, the private keys

0:57.6

that give you access to the UTX as you hold.

1:01.3

Is that the only truth we have left in this world?

1:04.0

One of the only ones.

1:05.0

I think now everyone's roaming around with AI devices.

1:09.0

I mean, you, you've heard this from other programs and shows, you know,

1:11.6

the intimate relationships people have with their chatbots is insane.

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