Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the Council of Trend Podcasts.

I'm your host, Cabbagantz's Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn.

When I speak to people about the papacy, I'll present to them arguments from Scripture

that seem to show that Peter had unique authority among the apostles that you would often speak

for them as a group.

One interesting note that I like seeing in Scripture, sharing with people is when you look at the

list of the apostles and the apostolic lists that contain all of the apostles, I believe

there are four of them.

Peter is listed first in all of them and Judas is listed last.

So that, you know, it's interesting, well, why would that be?

Well, Peter is the leader of the group.

And so people will make these arguments, right?

I'm trying to show that Peter had a very important role in the early church and that provides

evidence for the papacy.

I came across an article from a Protestant blog, though, saying you could run these same

exact arguments and say that Paul had a special primacy.

Maybe Paul was really the first pope.

Look at all these special things about Paul.

If you're going to say special things about Peter, make him Pope, then special things about

Paul make him Pope as well.

And then if everybody's a pope, nobody's a pope, and the argument doesn't work, to help

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