64: How to Win an Information War with Peter Pomerantsev
Jen Rubin's Green Room
Jen Rubin's Green Room
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🗓️ 31 July 2024
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Peter's book is about Sefton Delmer, a British journalist during World War II, used subversive propaganda tactics against the Nazis. He created fake radio stations like 'Death Chef' to expose Nazi corruption and secrets. Delmer's goals were to:
1. Challenge Nazi emotional control
2. Provide factual information
3. Promote alternative identities
4. Encourage individual agency
And it worked, what lessons can we learn from Sefton.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's Green Room. |
| 0:14.6 | Isn't it fun now to talk about the news? It's not all treasury. It's not fear. You don't have to watch the candidate of your choice, |
| 0:23.8 | who is not Donald Trump, I am assuming, with one eye squinted and your ears practically closed. |
| 0:31.4 | No, it's a joy to watch politics, and it's a joy to watch politics done well. |
| 0:36.6 | And that's what strikes me about the Kamala Harris campaign. |
| 0:41.1 | In just over a week, they have gone out on social media. |
| 0:46.6 | They have whipped up enthusiasm. |
| 0:48.5 | They have raised hundreds of millions of dollars. |
| 0:52.6 | They have put together these calls, the last one being the |
| 0:56.7 | white dudes call. They have really, I think, tapped into a hunger among not just Democrats, |
| 1:03.4 | but independence for someone other than two old guys as candidates. And I think she has been able to free herself from constriction of |
| 1:15.4 | being vice president. She can say what she wants. She can say it in the way she wants. And I think |
| 1:20.9 | she's shown real flair, real zeal and joy in the campaign, as well she should. After all, this is an opportunity for a bipartisan, |
| 1:33.1 | multi-ideological, multiracial, multi-religious coalition of Americans. And we shouldn't diminish |
| 1:41.7 | the opportunity we have to create something that is not only not |
| 1:47.1 | Donald Trump, but that's something better. |
| 1:50.1 | We spend a lot of time talking about the dangers to American democracy. |
| 1:54.7 | And to be sure, Project 2025 is a real menace. |
| 1:59.9 | Trump is a menace. But there's also a lot of positive things that |
| 2:04.0 | could come out of this campaign. And I think we're just beginning to see it. We're seeing a very |
| 2:10.0 | positive affirmation of freedom as a critical theme for Democrats. It's a theme that Republicans have absconded with for years. |
| 2:20.5 | We're seeing a reaffirmation of inclusiveness that it's not cool to denigrate women. It's not cool to |
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