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639. “This Country Kicks My Ass All the Time”

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🗓️ 4 July 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Cory Booker on the politics of fear, the politics of hope, and how to split the difference.

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0:00.0

You may recognize this voice, especially if you watch a lot of C-SPAN.

0:05.7

I was on an airplane not too long ago where I sat down next to this mother and daughter,

0:10.4

80 and 60. They wanted to know who I was. Why are people paying attention to me?

0:14.0

Ask me if I was a professional athlete, which at my age is quite the compliment.

0:18.3

That is Corey Booker. He did play college football at Stanford, but that was a long time ago.

0:24.4

He's 56 now, and he is a United States Senator from New Jersey.

0:29.1

And I said, no, I'm a United States Senator.

0:31.0

And they suddenly did what most Americans would do when they meet a Congress person out in the wild.

0:35.7

And they don't know what party they're in.

0:37.3

They want to know, are you on my team or their team? They said, Republican or Democrat. And I said,

0:40.6

ma'am, I'm a Democrat. And she looked at me so angrily, crossed her arms and said, well, I should have

0:45.6

brought my Trump hat and swiveled away from me. I go, ma'am, ma'am, Donald Trump. Oh, my gosh, he signed two of the biggest bills I've ever written in my life into law.

0:56.3

One of those bills promoted criminal justice reform. The other one, which was tucked into

1:01.0

Trump's 2017 tax laws, boosted incentives for investing in low-income neighborhoods.

1:07.0

Let me tell you, by the time we landed, we were talking and laughing and sharing stories,

1:12.2

and I was affirming to her the truth that we all in this nation have so much in common.

1:19.2

Americans may have a lot in common, but for good while now, we've been living in a time of violent political attacks and outright assassinations.

1:30.1

These days, the idea of talking politics with your seatmate on a plane just isn't the norm anymore,

1:36.8

if it ever really was. But Cory Booker seems to truly believe what he says about how much we have

1:42.7

in common. I say seems to believe because

1:45.3

it can be hard to tell how real someone's enthusiasm is. Booker's enthusiasm certainly feels real,

1:52.2

and it is definitely abundant. In Washington, he is widely thought of as a bridge builder.

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