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I'm Sandy Mullen and I'm joined by my co-host, Stephen Hamill, Vice President of Policy

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Steve, you did a great set of interviews from two different perspectives on how the donor dynamics are shaping global

health, how our colleagues out there in public health are seeking to change some of those

dynamics, and about how philanthropy itself is changing due to the pressures of this moment.

Do you have any follow thoughts you'd like to share to set up this conversation?

Thanks, Sandy. It's great to be back. I guess I would say not everybody in public health works in a

philanthropically funded or donor-funded program. Probably most people work in government or maybe

academics. That's the majority of our field. But we know that the philanthropic

funding has a huge influence on the direction on public health, on investigating new practices

and funding innovations in the field. I remember reading a couple years ago, there was some

concern that a single philanthropic donor was

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