You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

So it's all acting like safe haven.

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency,

Bitcoin wins.

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

Matthew, welcome to the show.

Thank you for joining me.

Thanks, Marty.

First time, long time.

I was saying we've met twice this year in D.C.

We shared an elevator.

And then in Vegas, a few weeks ago, we were in line waiting to get our passes into the event and I've been a big fan

of all the research you've been doing at Vanek and your commentary on X for a couple years

and us I figured it's it's time to get Matthew on the podcast to discuss everything going on

and like I said right before we hit record,

considering what you guys are doing at Vanek

and in your position there,

starting with the Bitcoin ETFs.

They've been extremely hot since they launched

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