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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

629: Anne-Laure Le Cunff - How To Live Freely In a Goal Obsessed World (Tiny Experiments)

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

Ryan Hawk

Careers, Management, Business

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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  • At 27, Anne-Laure had her dream job at Google. She quit. "Are you sure?" "No."
    • She was focusing on a narrow vision of success.
  • Anne-Laure was most curious about the brain, neuroscience, and why we think the way we do. She went back to school to learn more.
  • Writing - First, to clarify thinking. Works as a forcing function for that. You need to create your own version of it. You do that by writing. The generation effect. You remember it better that way. Next, it created a magnet of people to her.
  • The meaning behind the name "Ness" is "The state of being."
  • Goal setting - What are the traps of linear goals? We think we know what we want. We assume we'll always want the same thing. The arrival fallacy. Think we'll be so happy when we get it, but usually we aren't. Instead focus on the process, the daily behaviors. And run continual experiments. Through those experiments, you’ll probably figure out what you want to accomplish. Or you might even stumble into it.
    • Practical goals - Was it useful? Focus on the process. There is nuance. How do you hold others accountable? It's more than just the number. Do the work to understand the nuance, the details behind the number. Too many managers are lazy.
  • Collaborate with uncertainty. Understand why you're scared of it. Comes from a long time ago. That's no longer a thing. You don't just want your team to survive. You want them to thrive. Don't cling to the first obvious conclusion. Do more work.
  • What about vision for a CEO? Instead of focusing on being #1 in the marketplace, focus on your approach. Your values, your mission. Focus on your company's daily behaviors more than beating someone else. Be curious and ambitious. 
  • Escape the tyranny of purpose. People are obsessed with finding theirs. People have more than one purpose. It changes over time. You can reinvent yourself. It can make people miserable if they haven't found it.
  • I suggested that hers is what she has on Ness Labs website: "To help people become the scientist of their own lives." She said that it is for her work.
  • Procrastination - Instead of getting rid of it, reframe it. Say hello, you're here again; what are you telling me? A tool for it: Triple check - Head, Heart, Hand.
  • Her grandmother Oma was the final person she thanked in her acknowledgement. Moved from Algeria to France. Didn't speak the language.
  • Her parents always encouraged her that she could do anything. Show up. Do it. Try.
  • How do you keep going after the honeymoon of a new project or idea? Keep iterating and trying new things. Have others help you. Sergey Brin got tired of the ad business at Google, so he had someone else run it and he created a lab inside of Google for new ideas.
  • Don’t let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It’s your place in the world; it’s your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live.—Mae Jemison, American engineer, physician, and former NASA astronaut

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This episode is brought to you by my friends at Insight Global. Insight Global is a staffing and

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taking great care of them. If you need to hire one person, hire a team of people, or transform

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Insight Global can get you the people you need and help you develop them to reach their full

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That's Insightglobal.com slash learning leader to learn more.

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Welcome to the Learning Leader Show.

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I am your host, Ryan Hawk.

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Thank you so much for being here.

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You'll also receive details about how our book, The Score That Matters, will help you become

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Text Hawk to 66866.

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Now on to tonight's featured leader.

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Dr. Ann Lour Lecomf is a neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and writer.

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As the founder of Ness Labs, Anluar writes to over 100,000 subscribers about evidence-based ways to achieve more without sacrificing your mental health.

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