It's time for episode 627 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, October 15th, 2025.

Clockwise, Four People, Four Tech Topics, 30 minutes. Welcome back clockwise the tech podcast with two geists and two co-ghosts.

My name is Dan Moran and I'm joined across this spooky internet by my good friend, my pal.

It's Mike Ascuergent. Ooh, that is indeed me.

Today I'm wearing a skeleton cardigan and I feel very festive. And warm. And warm.

Very warm. Unlike most skeletons. Most skeletons, not known for their warm. All right. Well, this is, of course, the tech podcast. We're invited on two fantastic guests to talk about four tech topics. To my left this week, it is generally nice person, podcast co-host, developer, all those things. It's Casey List. Welcome back, Casey. Hello. It is so good to be here. To my left. Generally nice enough person.

Six colors.

Six colors contributor who also writes at Joe Steele.com.

If it wasn't Joe Steele, that'd be spooky.

Hello, Joe Rosenstiel.

Hello, Micah.

All right.

He's here.

Let's get it done. We got 30 minutes. Four topics. Here's the point, let's get it done.

We got 30 minutes, four topics.

Here's mine.

Apple revised its base level MacBook Pro and iPad Pros with the M5 processor today,

bragging about how great they are, AI performance.

This is on the heels of them revamping the A-19 Pro in the iPhones this year, and also talking about how great the AI performance is. My question is for you is how much intensive AI worked do you actually do

on your devices? And you know what? We've got a developer here with us. Casey, you're a developer.

How much intensive AI work are you doing? If you're looking for me to save the day,

then you're going to have to look somewhere else. Not really any. I'm very, not ambivalent. I have mixed feelings about AI. And I do use it from time to time in my work. But typically, that's going to, like, Claude or JetGBT or something and asking for assistance on a technical problem or to code something that's going to be, like, wrote work. You know, it's just busy work and I don't need to do this myself. And if I can get 80% of the way they're using some sort of online, you know, a tool to do so, then I'll go ahead and do that. But in terms of on device, not really doing anything. At some point, I'm going to start really properly digging into

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