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Welcome to the podcast. Yes, so the recording quality is a little weird right now because I'm on the road. I'm in a hotel. I'm in a hotel. I'm in multiple hotels per week but I got home one night I say home I say home whenever I'm traveling when I get back to my hotel okay so I get home I get home

back to my room and I get ready to go to bed and I, you know, I'm scrolling through

Tik-Tok as I'm trying to, you know, wind down for the evening.

And I come across this guy who is debating

whether or not the Confederate flag is racist.

Not that everyone who has it is racist. I think that's more of an ignorance issue than it is a hateful one, but we could we can debate that. I'm open to different dialogue on that.

And I decided to, you know, there was an option to join the conversation so I clicked to join the conversation

so this isn't a clear cut you know really cool beginning and end you're

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