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Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

623 | Turneffe Flats Lodge with Craig Hayes - Permit, Tarpon, Bonefish

Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast

Dave Stewart

Hobbies, Wilderness, Leisure, Sports

4.7531 Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2024

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/623 

Presented by: Togiak River Lodge, Visit Helena, MT, Stonefly Nets, Yellowstone Teton Territory

Sponsors: https://wetflyswing.com/sponsors 

Craig Hayes, owner of Turneffe Flats Lodge, has spent the last 40 years pioneering conservation efforts and catch-and-release practices, making Belize a top destination for anglers. In this episode, Craig shares the fascinating history of the lodge, innovative programs shaping the fishing industry, and tips for planning a successful tarpon trip. Whether you're a seasoned angler or new to the sport, Craig's insights and stories are not to be missed. Welcome back to Belize for another big one with Craig Hayes from tflats.com!


Episode Chapters with Craig Hayes on Turneffe Flats Lodge

1:26 - Craig shares how he got into fly fishing in the 1970s while living in the Black Hills of South Dakota, learning from a young boy who later became a manager an ER doctor, and then manager at Turneffe Flats.

5:09 - He highlights Turneffe Atoll as a prime location due to its less developed nature and diverse fishing opportunities, allowing anglers to catch various species like bonefish, permit, and tarpon. He also mentions that they offer rental programs for those who don't have the necessary equipment.

11:09 -We dig into the conservation efforts of flats fishing in Belize. Craig shares positive findings from recent surveys of fishing guides, which indicate that the fish population, including bonefish, is thriving, with an increase in both the size and number of fish. He attributes much of this success to Belize's 2009 Catch and Release Legislation, which protects species like bonefish, permit, and tarpon.

17:20 - Craig explains that the key to successfully passing this legislation was making a strong economic argument. They hired a fisheries economist who studied flats fishing in Belize. The study revealed that flats fishing had a significant financial impact. This data was presented to government officials, emphasizing the economic benefits of protecting certain fish species.

22:15 - He discusses the current situation in Belize, where there is significant development interest, particularly in tropical coastal areas. He expresses concern about the potential negative impact on flats fishing, an important part of Belize's economy. Instead of addressing each development project individually, Craig advocates for a comprehensive approach to protect all flats in Belize.

24:28 - We reflect on their journey in the fishing and tourism industry, particularly focusing on their experiences since starting a fishing lodge in Belize. Craig and his wife have been involved in the business for 24 years. Craig recounts how he became interested in bonefishing after reading an article in Sports Illustrated, which inspired him and his friends to consider starting a bonefishing lodge in Belize, despite minimal tourism at the time.

29:00 - We talk about sustainable tourism and its implementation within Craig's operation. Craig highlighted that their operation is completely off-grid, relying on an extensive solar system that generates 75% of their energy and a sophisticated water system that primarily uses stored rainwater.

31:04 - Craig expresses that Yvon Chouinard is his hero due to his approach to life, conservation, and business. Inspired by Yvon, Craig and his wife are planning to implement a purpose trust for their business, which will allocate the majority of its future disposable income to conservation efforts.

39:01 - Craig mentions two primary conservation groups: the Turneffe Atoll Trust, which has driven initiatives like catch and release practices, and the Turneffe Atoll Sustainability Association, known for its successful management of the Marine Reserve.

42:50 - Craig discusses the best times to visit Belize. He explains that bonefish and permit fishing are available year-round, depending on tides and weather. However, the prime time for migratory tarpon fishing is from mid-April through August. Bookings for this period are already filling up for 2025. Craig advises bringing a variety of fishing rods to be prepared for different conditions in May.

46:03 - Craig elaborates on their journey, mentioning that they started with very minimal resources—a small Honda generator running only a few hours each night—but over 40 years, they managed to evolve and improve their situation significantly.

47:51 - We delve into the current fishing conditions and how climate change impacts their activities. Craig explains they've been experiencing an unusual heatwave in Belize, which has negatively affected the reef and the fish. Before this heatwave, fishing was excellent, but now they hope for rain and cooler weather to improve the situation.

51:08 - Craig mentions that besides their fishing programs, they offer high-quality eco-tours and a top-notch scuba diving program. These tours are designed to cater to families, with activities such as snorkeling and diving available for those who may not be as interested in fishing.

Show Notes: https://wetflyswing.com/623 

Transcript

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0:00.0

If you have ever fished for bonefish, tarpen, or permit, or ever dreamed of it, it's likely you've heard about Belize.

0:09.0

But did you know that bonefish and Belize were not always as prevalent or as large as they are today?

0:14.0

And what about Permit?

0:15.4

The species you hear stories about, the addiction that you hear of people getting into.

0:20.5

Many of us can thank today's guests for implementing and fighting for protections over the last 40 years in Belize.

0:26.6

And today you're going to get a glimpse into the famous lodge and the story of how he did it.

0:30.6

This is the Webfly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing,

0:34.6

how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip, and what you can do to give back to the fish species we all love. Hey, how's it going? I'm Dave, host of the Wet Fly Swing podcast. I've been fly fishing since I was a little kid. I grew up around a fly shop and have created one of the largest fly fishing podcasts in this country. I've also interviewed more of the greatest fly anglers from anywhere around

0:55.6

the world than just about anybody. Today, Craig Hayes, famous lodge owner in Belize and previous

1:02.6

doctor who retired to his fish camp will take us into the evolution of Turniff Flats Lodge.

1:08.5

You're going to find out how they implemented catch and release down there back in the day. You're going to find out how they implemented catch and release down there

1:12.1

back of the day. You're going to find out how they have an entire lodge off the grid completely,

1:17.5

which four programs have made Balees what it is today. And he's going to share how he continues to

1:23.3

keep giving back long after he is gone. Plus, you're going to find out when you might think about a tarp and a few tips on success

1:32.1

this next season.

1:33.9

Back to Belize for another big one.

1:36.5

This is the man, Craig Hayes from T-flats.com.

1:42.0

How you doing, Craig?

1:43.3

Good, Dave.

2:03.2

Yourself? Yeah, great. It's great to have you on here. I've heard a lot about you. You're in a part of the world down in Belize and Turner Flats Lodge. I've heard a lot about it. It's kind of one of the famous lodges I think out there. We're going to talk a little about that, how you built this. I know you I know you have a pretty cool history on that. And then we're going to get into maybe some tips for some folks thinking about maybe heading down to that part of the world. Before we get there, let's take it back to fly fishing. I'm not sure how you first got into it. Maybe tell us, you know, what's your first memory? How did you get into all this? Well, I sort of got into fly fishing pretty much concurrently with

2:19.0

starting turn of flats back in the 70s. I was living in the Black Hills in South Dakota,

2:26.6

and there was a young man who was, well, actually it was about 11 or 12 years old was fly fishing in the little stream

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