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It's Lindsay Smith Rogers.

Today, the costs of displacing people experiencing homelessness.

Dr. Joshua Barakas is an infectious disease physician at the University of Colorado School of Medicine,

who studied what happens when homeless encampments are swept away.

He talks to Dr. Josh Sharfstein about the consequences for health and the health care system

and the implications for what we can do better.

Let's listen.

Dr. Joshua Barokas, thank you so much for joining me on public health on call.

You were one of the authors of this very interesting and important study about displacement of people

who are experiencing homelessness.

Could you explain what displacement is?

Yeah, thanks for having me.

So displacement can mean a lot of different things in a lot of different contexts,

and it looks different in cities

across the u.s it can mean anything from move along orders so someone is set up on a sidewalk

and they are asked to or forcibly moved to a different sidewalk. It's sort of that old adage.

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. It can mean on sort of the other extreme

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