It's time for episode 621 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay, recorded Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025.

Clockwise, Four people, where many hands make a confusing clock.

My name is Dan Morin, and I am joined as always.

Well, I guess not as always.

I wasn't here last week, but hopefully as always, across the internet, my good friend, my pal, the one, the only, Micah Sargent. How are you doing today, Micah? I'm doing well, Dan, happy to have you back in the saddle, on the seat, on the throne, all the places where you, where you rest one, where one rests one's rump. It's good to have you back now. Saddle up the

old clock. Because we're wise to what they're doing. Anyways, this is, of course, the show where we

invite two fantastic guests to talk about four tech topics. To my left this week, it is producer

reporter at the Texas Standard host of the Lions Towers and Shield podcast and author of iOS Access

for All the Multi-Talented

Shely Brisbane. Welcome back, Shelley. Thanks, Dan. Good to be here. And to my left, 9 to 5 Mac

editor at large and Bigfoot's biggest fan. It's Zach Hall. Hello, Zach. Hello there. Hello there.

Happy to be here. Always from time of time. Sometimes twice. All right. Let me kick

things off. Recent milestone in the Google antitrust case has determined that not only does Google get to

keep Chrome, but it also can keep paying Apple the $20 billion a years or so it's paying.

How do you feel about this resolution? Is this end up feeling, you know, effective to you?

Is it feel toothless? Like, what is your, does you think Google's going to have to do anything?

Or is this just going to be business as usual?

Shelley, what are your thoughts?

Well, I'm struck by how long court processes take.

This is not something is unexpected.

But this case started in 2020, and it's made its way through the Justice Department

and now through one court.

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