Hello everyone, it's Adam. Before launching into this episode, I'd like to invite you to an

upcoming Zoom conference that I am doing with Kathy Lorzel on Saturday, May 13th. The purpose of

the conference is to equip you to engage another person's story. In other words, Kathy and I are

going to teach the art and the science behind how to engage another person's story well.

You can sign up for the conference at my website, adamioncounseling.com. The cost is 129 and if you

can't make it on May 13th, you will still get access to the video recording of the conference for

three months. I hope to see you there and now let's dive into today's episode.

You are listening to the place we find ourselves podcast. I'm Adam Young and today I am joined by

my friend KJ Ramsey. KJ has written an important book about suffering called This Two Shall Last

because sometimes suffering lasts. Sometimes suffering lasts longer than we want and where is

God in this waiting? How are we to live when the place we find ourselves is one of lingering

suffering. That's what KJ Ramsey and I talk about today. Thanks so much for listening.

All right, KJ, welcome back to the podcast. It's good to see you. It is good to see you too.

You were a guest before on episode 27 where we talked about how God made our brain to need other

people, which was something that you wrote about. And since that time, you've written a book called

This Two Shall Last, This Two Shall Last, and it releases on May 12th. The subtitle of your book is

Finding Grace When Suffering Lingers. Your suffering for the listeners who haven't heard your

episode has lingered for years. So can you say a bit about the disease that you live with when

you got it, what it's like having it? Definitely. So I have lived with Inchalosing Spondylitis AS

for 11 years now. It's an autoimmune disease that affects my spine and my other joints and causes

pain every single day, a lot of fatigue. And sometimes it totally disables me. So it's a large part

of my life. And we talked some about that in the last episode, episode 27. But today I want to talk

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