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TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

#618: The Samourai Case Threatens Every Bitcoiner with Zack Shapiro

TFTC: A Bitcoin Podcast

Marty Bent

Technology

4.8764 Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Marty sits down with Zack Shapiro to discuss the Samourai case.


Zack Shapiro on Twitter: https://x.com/zackbshapiro

P2P Rights: https://p2prights.org/

Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/


0:00 - Intro0:28 - Outlining the case12:26 - Biden/Warren admin17:24 - Fold & Coinkite19:00 - Next step and implications for precedent23:24 - Unchained23:53 - GENIUS act27:34 - History of Bank Secrecy Act33:19 - Nation states will need bitcoin39:21 - Bitcoin fixes the world45:52 - Killer use cases56:14 - OP_DEBATE1:04:54 - C2A


Transcript

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0:00.0

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free.

0:10.0

If you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts.

0:16.0

So it's all acting like safe haven.

0:18.0

I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency,

0:24.4

Bitcoin wins.

0:25.3

In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

0:29.2

I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

0:31.8

If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

0:36.3

Yeah, this has been a long saga over a year since Keanu and Bill were arrested.

0:47.4

I think, so we're here with Zach Shapiro to talk about the samurai wallet case.

0:53.3

Been a lot of developments in the last week

0:55.2

just mentioned there was a development this morning but I think for the context of

1:00.8

anybody listening let's go back and just give a sort of timeline of everything up to

1:09.8

this morning going back to last year to get everybody

1:12.5

up to speed and then we'll jump into what's actually happening with the case, how the

1:16.3

SDNY is posturing and potential precedence that could be set if this goes the wrong way

1:24.5

for Samurai specifically.

1:25.6

For sure.

1:26.6

I'll be as brief here as possible because I've sort of laid the falling out in greater

1:31.4

length online.

1:33.0

But I think the relevant timeline really goes back to 2013, which was in the early days of Bitcoin.

1:39.6

And people didn't really understand Bitcoin in the government at all yet.

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