618. The 1 Epstein Conspiracy That Shocked Me: Michael Shermer

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Andrew Gold

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🗓️ 7 February 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Epstein proved the unthinkable: some "conspiracy theories" are horrifyingly real. Join the Heretics Community For Bonus Videos: https://andrewgoldheretics.com/ Follow Michael's writing on https://skeptic.com Get his new book TRUTH Join world-renowned skeptic Michael Shermer on Heretics for a gripping, evidence-driven conversation that redefines conspiracy theories. From Jeffrey Epstein’s elite blackmail network and secret island to the once-banned COVID lab-leak theory, Bill Gates emails, vaccine controversies, moon-landing doubts, and elite power plays, Shermer uses Bayesian reasoning to distinguish real conspiracies from speculation—showing why even die-hard skeptics must update their views when hard evidence emerges. SPONSORS: Organise your life: https://akiflow.pro/Heretics Earn up to 4 per cent on gold, paid in gold: https://www.monetary-metals.com/heretics/ Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics He also tackles the decline of religion, Jordan Peterson’s secular appeal, transgender ideology as potential social contagion with growing regret lawsuits, objective morality versus cultural trends, immigration politics, and whether true progress is happening or we’re just cycling through extremes. Real cases like Epstein remind us: dismissing everything as paranoia can blind us to what’s actually true. Epstein proved conspiracies can be real. Michael’s links: https://www.skeptic.com https://michaelshermer.com #ConspiracyTheories #Epstein #MichaelShermer Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Chapters: 00:00 Welcome & Heretical Mindset 04:55 Bayesian Thinking & Changing Your Mind 09:50 COVID Origins, Lab Leak & Politicized Science 14:40 Vaccines, Boosters & Precautionary Principle Failures 19:25 Epstein Files, Bill Gates Emails & Elite Blackmail Theories 24:30 Why Epstein Was Real – & What It Means for Other Conspiracies 29:45 Moon Landing Hoax Claims Debunked 34:20 Decline of Religion, Jordan Peterson & Secular Morality 39:55 Transgender Surge, Social Contagion & Regret Lawsuits 44:50 Objective Moral Truths vs Cultural Fashion 49:55 Immigration, Empathy & Political Strategy Conspiracies 54:50 Progress, Backsliding & Hanlon's Razor 59:55 A Heretic Michael admires Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:58.0	The one conspiracy theory I have heard about, Epstein, tell me what you think about this. This isn't mine,
1:03.0	but that the sex on the island with the underage girl with the rich guys was secondary to the deeper motive he had.
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1:20.3	Michael Shermer, welcome to Heretics. How are you doing?
1:24.2	Well, I'm feeling heretical today, so I guess I'm good to go.
1:45.3	Well, we're going to have a great chat because you've got, I mean, look, you are known as one of the world's great skeptics, I would say, and I think a scientific mind, a great mind, a philosophical mind. And we're going to, I want to ask about conspiracy theories and why people think the way they do. I've also often been known for being a bit on the skeptic side.
1:49.0	And I think it can be a bit boring when two people just go, well, yes, everything's all,
1:53.9	everything's not true and all the things they think is true as nonsense. So I think I'm going to try and put my conspiracy-friendly hat on today so that we can have an interesting conversation at least. So tell me first,
2:03.8	give me a rough idea of what your new book is about. Well, there it is truth, what it is,
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