One, you know, one struggle. Like, I think, I think a lot of, a lot of the, I think one of the reasons that this current anti-Zionist movement, this, this pro-Palestine movement is related to Black Lives Matter because, I mean, obviously, like, people learned from Black Lives Matter. And I just want to talk to you about that specifically in a second after this.

But people learned about Israel's involvements with American police departments.

Right.

And that, I think, opened up a huge can of worms for people who were, would otherwise, of course, object to Israel's participation in these programs globally,

but just, you know, didn't know about it because it's not, none of it is interrogated in the

public discourse. It's just taken as a matter, of course, that, you know, we're a hand in glove.

I mean, whatever, we're united with Israel, joined at the hip, uh, and have our hands in each other's

fucking cookie jars essentially. And, you know, I was telling her about just weapons of war

trained on Palestinians are being used by American police departments, you know.

Well, there's been like this history for a long time. And especially, I mean, I, I remember growing up, there's been this like romanticizing of the IDF, of Israel, of Israel's military, of like, they're, they were like proud to say like, oh, we know, our police officers were trained by IDF. And it was almost kind of seemed like they're the good military. They're the humane military. But for some reason, that was like necessary, it was like a necessary brutality in Krav Maga.

And like, I remember growing up like hearing that.

Like it was, it was like a cool thing.

It was people liked it.

People kind of respected it.

And now we're seeing, we're seeing how it is, it's come to haunt us, you know.

It's come to, come to affect us.

You know, we've, so many of us now have been put in wild chokeholds.

And it, it's, like you said, it's coming to light.

And I think it's been very helpful in this for sure.

Yeah.

And on this note of, you know, black and Palestinian solidarity,

exactly, as you said, like with BLM, that really exposed a lot of the ways that

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