615 // Murderous Moms - Susan Smith & More w/ Olivia of True Crime Society
Crawlspace - True Crime & Mysteries
Crawlspace Media
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🗓️ 14 January 2026
⏱️ 55 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | So over a period of nine months, she'd gone from being involuntarily committed to doing |
| 0:03.7 | an outpatient day program. So she had progressed pretty well. She had three children. |
| 0:08.2 | She was never allowed to be alone with the children, not because they thought that she would hurt |
| 0:12.6 | them, but because they were worried about her decision-making abilities due to her medication. |
| 0:16.3 | They said she was quite sedated. And sometimes they were worried if there was a fire, for example, |
| 0:21.5 | that she would be able to act appropriately. |
| 0:24.5 | But anyway, just another set of circumstances where she was able to take her son who was |
| 0:29.8 | to Jacob he was. |
| 0:31.0 | She told her dad that she was going to get a pizza because she had a coupon and he let her, |
| 0:34.9 | which was kind of against the family care protocols. |
| 0:37.7 | And then there was all this miscommunication. |
| 0:40.2 | No one realized, she told them that Jacob was out of sleepover and then they all went home |
| 0:43.9 | and thought that was fine. |
| 0:44.8 | And then the next morning when the husband or the partner woke up, the children were gone. |
| 0:48.4 | And she told them that she'd taken them to a daycare center. |
| 0:51.3 | This happened in 2014. |
| 0:52.9 | So nearly 12 years later, they still haven't found the |
| 0:55.3 | children. |
| 1:26.9 | Thank you. In today's new episode, we speak with Olivia McKenzie. |
| 1:33.0 | Olivia is from the True Crime Society, social media feeds, and the podcast. |
| 1:39.1 | And she also has a new podcast called Below the Surface that she's launching with Abjack Entertainment. |
| 1:41.4 | And Lance, in this conversation, we speak about mothers who harm their children. And |
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