In this episode of Heretics, I’m joined by Andy Woodward — the whistleblower who helped expose one of the darkest scandals in British history. Support Andy’s work: Inside The Boys Club: https://www.saneseven.com/inside-the-boys-club/ SPONSORS: Earn up to 4 per cent on gold, paid in gold: https://www.monetary-metals.com/heretics/  Use my code Andrew25 on MyHeritage: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldDNA  Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/GOLDNOV4  Start fresh at tryfum.com/products/zero-crisp-mint . Over 500,000 people have already made the switch — no nicotine, no vapor, no batteries. Just flavor, fidget, and a fresh start. Get up to 45% off Ekster with my code ANDREWGOLDHERETICS: https://partner.ekster.com/andrewgoldheretics  Plaud links! Official Website: Uk: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie  Amazon: https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Get an automatic 20% discount at checkout until December 1st. Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics  Andy recounts the grooming, coercion, and control he experienced as a child, and the long road to speaking out. We also dig into the institutional failures that allowed this to continue for years — including what happened when Andy tried to tell the truth publicly, and the aftermath of going up against powerful organisations. This is a difficult but vital conversation about child safeguarding, grming tactics, institutional cover-ups, and what happens to survivors when the system claims to care — but doesn’t. In this conversation: - How grming works (and how adults get manipulated too) - Why some offenders operate “in plain sight - The cost of speaking out — professionally and psychologically - Media, institutions, and the pressure to stay silent - What needs to change to protect children and support survivors If you enjoyed this, follow Heretics and share the episode. Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com  Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates  Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok   Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Chapters: 00:00 “Worse Than Savile?” Andy Woodward on grming, fear, and the moment everything changed 03:40 “Can he stay overnight?” The request that rewired a 10-year-old’s life 07:10 A “haunted house” trip… and the real horror in the minibus 10:05 “He was a psychopath.” The double life: generous “pipe piper” 12:45 Chinese stars, nunchucks, and terror as a weapon 14:55 “The Savile of football.” Why Andy says the pattern was the same 17:20 “Bigger cults… bigger picture.” Complicity, silence, and who benefits 19:55 “340 clubs.” The scale of what Andy says he blew open in 2016 22:20 “Did staff know?” The chants, the rumours, and what was said at the clubs 25:05 “If you say anything, I will k you.” The threat that sealed the silence 27:40 His sister, and the shocking aftermath 30:05 A family link… and the question Andy can’t shake 33:00 2003: Trying to hold the club accountable — and watching it get shut down 35:45 “Trust the institution.” Joining the police… then being put on the worst possible work 39:05 2016: Going public — “I was trending above Trump” 41:40 Wembley, the FA, and being told “no” when he asked to help safeguard kids 44:10 BBC film promises… then years of delay, trauma, and “duty of care” failures 47:15 “Football’s Darkest Secret” and the decision that left him re-traumatised 49:55 After the documentary: being sectioned — “seven police officers and three doctors” 52:40 The drama’s praise… then it vanishes: “removed after 12 months” 55:40 Inside The Boys Club: the new mission — men, trauma and prevention 58:30 Heretic he admires: Princess Diana — and why Andy chose her #heretics #savile #truecrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices