Sam Harris, welcome to Within Reason.

Yeah, great to be here.

Great to finally meet you.

Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time coming.

Yeah, now, a few years ago, or a number of years ago now,

on your now deleted Twitter account, you seemed to profess to be able to prove the existence of

objective morality using a kitchen stove. Do you still think that's the case? Do you

stand by this thread that now doesn't exist anymore? I haven't written down here.

I thought that maybe we could sort of go through it because you've a couple of times now referred back to it and said, hey, I think this still holds up as a way to prove the existence of objective ethics.

Yeah, it's been years or at least a year since I saw that thread so I'm not sure I can

perhaps I can improve on it now in conversation, but yeah, no, I think the argument for objective

morality, we can talk about what objective means in that context, I think is, I'm confident in it yeah I would love to hear your

reasons why not yeah well I found I found the the threat I had to sort of go into

the depth of Reddit to find a copy somewhere that someone had

saved. One of the things that I, I suppose, admire about the moral landscape is that a great

deal of the New Atheist movement has been criticized. And people talk about New atheism

in past tense these days.

I don't know if you agree with that assessment, but one of the things it's criticized for

is that it sort of knocks down this grand structure of religion and fails to erect anything in its place.

The moral landscape was at least an attempt to do that, so that's one thing that I like about it.

I suppose do you agree with that assessment of new atheism?

That it's Passé or that it's... do you agree with that assessment of new atheism?

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