Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. Hi there and welcome to the Spiked podcast my name is Ella Wielen I'm the assistant editor at Spiked. And on this week's

podcast, I talk to Julia Hartley Brewer about the ongoing Pestmints of scandal, John

Holbrook about Brexit and the law, and Claire Fox about the fraught nature of the

transgender debate. Though the headlines have relatively calmed down the panic around

sexual harassment in Westminster is continuing MPs are under investigation and women are being encouraged to come forward with their horror stories.

Pessminster, as it's now known, was of course inspired by the Harvey Weinstein Exposé, but it took on a life of its own after

knee-gate the story of Michael Fallon drunkenly touching a woman's knee under the table at

dinner and Fallon has since stepped down from his role as Defense Secretary.

So, is this where it all started?

And more importantly, where is it all going?

To find out, I spoke to the owner of the infamous knee, Julia Hartley Brewer, journalist, broadcaster and talk radio host, who has been extremely critical of what she calls the Westminster witch hunt.

So Julie, the pest minister scandal has now been raging for about three weeks I think and it was

arguably all kicked off by your now infamous knee what's now known as knee gate. I mean, how do you, just first of all, how do you feel about this? How, has it unsettled you, how much something from the past has now blown up into basically a moral panic gripping politicians.

Yes, as opposed to gripping my knee.

I actually feel, and I'm not in a victim, shamey sort of way,

actually got quite guilty about Michael Fallon's career because certainly what he did to me was

absolutely long in the distance past the story only emerged actually because I

told it on Sky News about a year ago as a as a comment about how you can deal with these things and for goodness sake stop being so upset by these things not saying it's okay I don't threaten to punch people if I think it's okay for them to touch me without permission.

But yeah, I knew that various people did know who it was,

and I was quite cross with various people, including someone else who was at the table who was

was prepared to reveal who it was when I felt that it was it was my business.

But yeah, given that so many other stories have come out regarding certainly some

...