608. I Asked Prison Boss Why Tommy Robinson Was Really In Solitary

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Andrew Gold

Documentary, Society & Culture, Personal Journals

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🗓️ 15 January 2026

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Vanessa Frake spent decades inside Britain’s prison system - from Holloway to Wormwood Scrubs - and rose to become a prison governor. In this conversation, she describes what she says changed inside UK prisons as Islam grew, why prison authorities sometimes separate high-profile inmates like Tommy Robinson, and what it’s like trying to keep order when numbers, staff, and politics collide. SPONSORS: Earn up to 4 per cent on gold, paid in gold: https://www.monetary-metals.com/heretics/ Use my code Andrew25 on MyHeritage: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldDNA Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/GOLDNOV4 Start fresh at tryfum.com/products/zero-crisp-mint . Over 500,000 people have already made the switch — no nicotine, no vapor, no batteries. Just flavor, fidget, and a fresh start. Get up to 45% off Ekster with my code ANDREWGOLDHERETICS: https://partner.ekster.com/andrewgoldheretics Plaud links! Official Website: Uk: https://bit.ly/3K7jDGm US: https://bit.ly/4a0tUie Amazon: https://amzn.to/4hQVyAm Get an automatic 20% discount at checkout until December 1st. Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics We also talk about foreign national prisoners, deportation delays, staffing cuts, and why recruitment standards have fallen. Vanessa explains how prisoners manipulate officers, why female officer scandals keep hitting headlines, and how prisons handle complaints and “minefield” issues like religion, gender, and trans prisoners. Vanessa’s book is The Governor. Use code ANDREWGOLD20 for 20% off your first month at Heights: http://heights.com/andrewgold Topics covered Islam in British prisons and Wormwood Scrubs Tommy Robinson and separation in prison Terrorism cases, safety, and control Foreign national prisoners and deportation backlog Staffing crisis, recruitment, and prison standards Corruption, coercion, and media narratives Rehabilitation and what the public gets wrong about prison If you enjoyed this, follow Heretics and share the episode. Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:36.9	I certainly saw the amount of Islamic prisoners at Scrubs increase and increase in 2002.
0:39.3	They were probably about 60. By 2013, there were probably four or five hundred.
0:43.3	Tommy Robinson spoken about being in prison himself.
0:46.3	He was warning about the Islamification of Britain.
0:49.3	It got so intense that when he was in prison for talking about it,
0:52.3	he had to be separated. Does that sort of prove his point?
0:55.9	To a degree it does. I think it is a sign of the times in this country. Instances of terrorism
1:02.3	have gone beyond belief in this country. We had a couple of terrorists there. Female ones? Yeah, Islamic.
1:09.2	We had around 70, 80% of the prison were foreign national prisoners.
1:13.6	We don't know what country they came from or the country that they came from one take them back.
1:19.1	Look, we should hire the planes, get them on it and get them sent back today.
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1:32.0	Vanessa Freak, welcome to the show.
1:33.7	Thank you very much, Andrew.
1:34.7	Thank you. Many thanks for the invite.
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