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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

605 | Retire in Less Than 10 Years

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Business, Investing

4.8 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 June 2026

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

At 21, Cody Berman appeared on ChooseFI as a college student discovering financial independence. Three years later, he retired at 26. Now 30 with a $5 million net worth, he's back to reveal exactly how he compressed a decades-long journey into a three-year sprint—and why the same principles work whether you're 25 or 55. The Journey from 22 to FI at 26 00:05:30 Cody's path to financial independence was methodical and aggressive. Between ages 22 and 25, he experimented with over 20 side hustles, scaling his income from $96K to more than $400K annually. The key? He kept expenses locked at just $24K per year—creating a massive gap of $625K over three years. That gap fueled three wealth-building engines: $500K in stock market investments (VOO, VTSAX, VTI) 13 rental properties generating $3,700/month in passive income Digital products businesses producing $10K/month By his 26th birthday, Cody had achieved "cashflow FI"—his passive income streams covered living expenses without touching his investment portfolio. The Psychology of Financial Independence 00:18:00 Brad and Cody explore why some people achieve FI while others with similar incomes stay stuck. The answer isn't math—it's psychology and awareness. Cody attributes his success to having a clear destination. When you know exactly where you're going and why it matters, spending $100 on something that doesn't serve that destination becomes harder than saying no. The infamous "second marshmallow" experiment demonstrates this: delaying gratification becomes easier when you're aware of what you're trading for. As Cody puts it: "Earn more, spend less, invest the gap. Very simple. That is financial independence in a nutshell." Passive Income Reality Check 00:28:00 Let's demolish the myth of truly passive income. Cody manages 13 rental properties—but spends just 4-5 hours per month on them. This represents the spectrum of passive income: not zero effort, but minimal effort relative to the returns. The secret? Working in seasons rather than constant hustle mode. Some months require more attention (tenant turnover, maintenance issues), while others are nearly hands-off. Cody's businesses also follow this pattern—periods of intense development followed by relative autopilot. Brad reinforces this with math: "Every $100 a month you can cut out of your budget is $30,000 less you need in your FI number." Over 20 years, that $100/month compounds to $60K invested. That's a $90K swing from a single optimization. Designing the Perfect Tuesday 00:42:00 Forget exotic vacations—FI is about winning on a random Tuesday. Cody and Lauren's ideal weekday reveals what financial independence actually looks like: Morning: Wake naturally, coffee together, workout (him: gym; her: Pilates), shower, work on creative projects they enjoy Midday: Lunch together, afternoon walk in their neighborhood, separate time for individual pursuits Evening: Dinner together, reading, quality time before bed Nothing dramatic. No yachts. Just complete autonomy over every hour of a normal day. They maintain this through monthly alignment meetings—typically at a restaurant over a nice meal—covering: Money and real estate Health and fitness Travel plans Relationships (with a safe space to address concerns) Friends and family A rotating category Goals for the next month They also record an annual video reviewing the year, creating a time capsule of their journey. Post-FI Life and the Book 00:58:00 What actually happens when you achieve FI? Cody shares the uncomfortable truth: "Anything that you say that you want to do and that you don't do is a Cody problem. Before FI, you can blame things on time. You can blame things on money." When those excuses disappear, you're left facing yourself. That can be liberating and terrifying. His new book, Retire by Thirty, addresses this and more. Like Tim Ferriss's The Four Hour Workweek, the title is provocative but the principles are universal. Whether you compress your FI journey from 50-55, 33…

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Choose a Phi. Today on the show, we have Cody Berman back at the first time in over eight years.

0:05.8

The last time we chatted with him, he was 22 years old. He was getting started on the path to Phi.

0:12.3

Eight years later, he's written a book called Retire by 30. While the title is ultra provocative,

0:18.3

I think this book really applies to everyone listening, regardless

0:21.5

of whether you're finding FI at 21 like him, he's truly a product of the FI movement, or

0:27.8

you're finding this. This is your first episode and you're 55 years old. The principles apply

0:33.5

to everyone. And I think that's what we try to get across with Choose Defi constantly. One of my

0:38.8

absolute favorite things from the podcast was the Path to Phi is littered with people who said,

0:43.9

I can't do that. And Cody turned around and said, how can I do that? That is the meta principle

0:51.0

that I want everyone to walk away with. And I think you're really going to like

0:54.7

this episode. And with that, welcome to choose that five. Before we get started, I keep this

1:02.8

podcast entirely ad-free for two reasons. First, this is a five podcast and I don't want to promote

1:07.9

products that I don't want you to buy in the first place. And second, I really like the clean listening experience of a show where you don't have to

1:15.1

fast forward ads.

1:16.3

To keep it ad free, all I ask of you as a listener is the next time you open a travel rewards

1:20.8

credit card, go to choosefI.com slash cards.

1:24.3

And with that, onto the show.

1:29.2

Cody Berman, welcome back to Chuzavai. It has been eight years, which is absolutely

1:34.0

unbelievable. I can't believe it's been eight years. My life has changed so, so much, and I'm

1:39.5

excited to dive into all that today. Yeah, just a wee little bit. We met you in January of 2018 at

1:47.4

Camp Fi. It might have still been called Camp Mustache at that point. One of the very early

1:52.1

campfires that Stephen Boyer put together. You were the sensation of that Camp Fi. I mean,

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