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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

6-Year-Old School Shooting Trial: Abby Zwerner v. Ebony Parker — Day 4 Part 3

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

True Crime Today

True Crime, News, News Commentary

3.3913 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

This episode features continuing coverage from inside the civil trial of Abby Zwerner v. Ebony Parker — the case that’s forcing a Virginia courtroom to confront how many warnings were ignored before a teacher was shot by her six-year-old student.

Each day’s proceedings bring new testimony, evidence, and revelations about what happened inside Richneck Elementary School on January 6, 2023 — and the administrative failures that followed.

You’ll hear unfiltered courtroom audio, direct from the trial, as attorneys for Abby Zwerner seek $40 million in damages against former assistant principal Ebony Parker, accused of negligence so severe it nearly cost a teacher her life.

Hidden Killers brings you the voices, the arguments, and the raw sound of justice in progress — as a jury decides whether silence and inaction inside a public school can rise to the level of legal accountability.

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0:00.0

You're listening to continuing coverage of the Abbey's Werner Civil Trial from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today.

0:09.4

So if it's stated, a person may voluntarily have...

0:14.1

Right, I would just start. We would start with a person and then go through the end of that.

0:19.6

And I'm just comparing it to the 324A instruction. person and then go through the end of that.

0:24.6

I'm just comparing it to the 324A instruction that we have. Just...

0:26.0

All right, you didn't number yours. I didn't. I apologize.

0:32.3

That is

0:33.4

four or five down. It starts with a person who undertakes gratuitously. Yeah, I had actually matched that up with instruction C, but I guess it's really close to what we're doing.

1:05.0

So in other words, if Your Honor were to instruct a person on B, this is their version B,

1:13.6

striking the word, however, a person may voluntarily assume a legal duty to protect another

1:17.6

from third-party conduct, the concern I have there is the proffer of 324A doesn't talk about third party conduct and 324A is what we've been

1:33.8

guiding what's been guiding this case from Burns we gagged right all right so

1:39.5

are you in receipt of once again they did number or letter them but it starts a person

1:45.4

who undertakes gratuitously all right so basically what is your objection to that

1:51.5

restatement of burns well judge if I may address your question this way I

1:57.9

think that the R instruction B gets at a separate issue

2:05.6

from instruction R instruction C. You've seen that R instruction C and you've aligned

2:10.6

that as corresponding to their Burns instruction, we'll just call the Burns instruction.

2:16.6

That is because instruction B is getting at instruction, I'll just call the Byrds instruction.

2:17.6

That is because instruction B is getting at the broader idea.

2:23.0

The jury needs to know that in general, no one has an obligation,

2:29.3

no one has a duty to exercise reasonable care to protect another from harm. They don't have an affirmative obligation to do that.

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