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Free Birth Society

6: Unpacking Birth Certificates with Veda Ray

Free Birth Society

Emilee Saldaya

Society & Culture, Arts

4.61.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 September 2025

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

What if the birth certificate was never for your baby—but a tool of control used by the state?


In this episode, I sit down with Veda Ray, a freebirthing mother of two, who chose to walk a path most women never even consider: birthing and raising her second child completely outside the system. No pregnancy test. No monitoring. No birth certificate. No social security number.


After her first birth at a birth center, Veda knew she wanted something different. This time, she listened deeply—to her body, to her baby, and to her own intuition—and what she heard was clear: this child was to be born free.


We go deep into the realities of living outside the system, including how she navigated the legal terrain to secure a passport without government-issued ID, why she believes the birth certificate is a jurisdictional trap, and the spiritual responsibility of saying no to the state’s contracts.


Inside this episode:


  • What really happens when you don’t get a birth certificate or Social Security number for your child
  • The process Veda used to get a passport without a state-issued ID
  • Why a “family Bible” can hold legal weight in proving lineage and identity
  • How the social security number binds your child into the U.S. corporate system
  • The link between freebirth and reclaiming jurisdiction over your body and family
  • What it’s like to raise a child who has never been registered by the state
  • The unseen cost of outsourcing authority—and what you reclaim when you stop


Timestamps:


[00:00] Introduction

[02:01] Choosing radical self-trust after rejecting the medical model

[09:21] Learning to sit in the unknown and trust yourself through freebirth

[22:54] Rethinking the birth certificate as a contract with the state and choosing a sovereign path instead

[26:08] Creating private records to get a passport without a birth certificate

[36:47] Using private trusts and EINs as alternatives to social security numbers and state contracts

[52:44] Facing fear, claiming trust, and birthing in full sovereignty with family by your side


Resources Mentioned:


The Business of Being Born | Movie


If you want to connect with Veda, you can find her website here, and follow her @veda.revival.


Find more from Emilee on Instagram, YouTube and the Free Birth Society website.


Disclaimer: Free Birth Society, LLC of North Carolina shares personal and educational stories and experiences related to freebirth and holistic care. This content is not medical advice, and we are not a licensed midwifery practice. Testimonials reflect individual experiences; results may vary. For services or scheduling, contact [email protected]. See full disclaimer at freebirthsociety.com/youtubeterms.


Transcript

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0:00.0

After I had my first, I was like, I'm absolutely doing a free birth forever after this.

0:04.2

With my next baby, it was so intentional with everything.

0:07.3

I started trusting the revelations that would come to me.

0:11.0

I don't need to have an ultrasound.

0:14.1

I don't need to have a Doppler.

0:15.2

I don't need to hear his heartbeat to know he's okay when I can actually just connect with him.

0:19.3

I started recognizing the United

0:20.9

States country is a business and how the birth certificate really is the contract with the business.

0:26.7

I just kept connecting with my baby. I was like guide me to what you need. What kept coming through

0:31.2

really clearly as I'd connect was I need to be born free. I kept taking that and I got to stew on that

0:36.4

for a little while on what does it mean to be free?

0:39.3

It started to become clear that he was like, I need to be born without a birth certificate.

0:45.2

Hi, women, before we dive in today, I need to name something important.

0:50.6

This episode, along with all episodes that you will hear until our winter break in mid-December

0:56.3

was recorded before my birth prior to mid-August. Since then, our family has walked through the

1:05.4

unimaginable. Our son was still born, and we are in deep mourning.

1:13.5

As the show's air, you'll hear and see me pregnant, which now feels incredibly painful and weird,

1:21.6

given that you are holding the sacred knowledge of what came after.

1:27.6

So please forgive the dissonance.

1:30.2

These stories still deserve to be shared and heard.

1:34.0

We welcome your prayers, your loving thoughts, and your support

1:38.7

as we navigate this spiral of such deep grief.

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