Hi, I'm Al Hunt. Welcome to the show you're in the War Room. Subscribe, rate and review

the show on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Now let's go on to impeachment

and politics. We're discussing the constitutional questions of impeachment and Attorney General

William Barr and we are joined by the V. The premier guest.

Senator Dellinger, Professor of Law at Duke University where he once was acting Dean,

he headed the Office of Legal Counsel and with Solicitor General in the Clinton Justice

Department, he has argued scores of cases before the United States Supreme Court. As a University

of North Carolina man, he will appreciate this. He is the Michael Jordan of constitutional

experts. Water. It's good to have you. I just aspire to be Dennis Rodman. Come on, that's

good. All right, let me just start off by saying the impeachment is going in full

gear an hour in the impeachment process. Let me just start off with a couple of Republican

arguments and then turn it over to James. One, they say, hey, no crime was committed.

So no impeachment. Well, first of all, it's a two-part response. First, it is not necessary

by any means that an impeachable offense be a crime. And secondly, yes, of course, of course

crimes were committed. There was an attempted obstruction of justice and attempt to extort

or bribe a foreign country. And the president didn't even have the good grace to use to put

his own money on the line, $400 million of taxpayers' money was used as the bait. But let me

address the first question because I think it's going to be important in other contexts.

And that is why an impeachable offense is something different from a crime. The worst offense

is committed by a president. I mean, not be anything that Congress ever thought they needed

to pass a federal statute, meaning the penal code to, for example, make it a crime for

a president willfully to refuse to defend the United States against foreign attack. You

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