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I started swimming and I felt the water hollowing out around me and felt like something really big was swimming below.

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Hey everyone, Ellie here, wishing you a happy Friday. Well, you know it was just a normal crazy week and not a super crazy week

when I am coming to you as scheduled on Friday and not with some emergency podcast on a Tuesday

or Wednesday. So you have that. That said, plenty happened this week. I do want to address

the arrest of Don Lemon. I get into it briefly in the podcast that's coming up,

but I want to talk a little bit more depth right now. So disclaimer, many of you probably know.

I know Don Lemon. I was colleagues with him at CNN for a long time up until he was fired.

I think it was 2023. Don was great to me. Don was one of the first anchors to

discover me, to use me on his show. He was the first anchor to bring me on in prime time.

I did his show all the time. We got to be close. I have a lot of respect and affection for Don.

I haven't seen him as much since he's left, but I still see him or

communicate with him a couple times a year here and there. I saw him in, well, it was December,

because it was a Christmas party. We had a nice talk. I know Don, I know his husband, Tim.

So account for that, however, however you'd like. The arrest of Don Lemon is outrageous.

For reasons, I probably barely even need to explain to you.

I think his journalistic practice running into that church with those protesters was shaky.

I think some of the things Don does in his new iteration as a journalist are journalistically,

not by the textbook. He tends to involve himself more than journalists typically should, but that's

his approach, and it's working for him. And it's not a question of, is he doing journalism right?

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