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🗓️ 1 July 2025
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0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel was Fedelado Lakova, who's written a book that is stunning in the scale of |
0:11.0 | Soviet espionage in America in the 1930s, 1940s, and afterwards, long before the whole idea of |
0:17.4 | finding communists in a State Department. This is actual genuine Soviet espionage |
0:23.0 | activity for the top secrets of America, the spy who changed history. But Trotsky is in Mexico. |
0:33.3 | Stalin is in Moscow. They hate each other, and they both have launched plots to assassinate one |
0:42.0 | of the others. Somebody's going to die first. We know now from history that Trotsky dies first, |
0:47.8 | and that ends the plot against Stalin. However, Stalin wasn't satisfied. |
0:53.4 | Svetlata, did Stalin arrest all these spies because he thought they were Trotskyites |
0:58.7 | or because it just, the process ran away from him. |
1:01.4 | He lost control of it. |
1:03.7 | Well, there is two parts to it. |
1:05.4 | So first of all, the, from the 75s who went to the MIT, the person who was arrested was Mikhail Ternovsky, |
1:13.6 | and he was the military intelligence as opposed to the civilian intelligence, |
1:18.4 | which was represented by Schumovsky and others, so the NKVD. |
1:22.2 | And what happened with him is in 1935, and this is how I came across this whole story. I was writing my PhD |
1:31.0 | on a subject called the Crimean Affair. And what happened is a man called Kirov, who was a Stalin's successor, |
1:40.0 | chosen successor, was shot at the party headquarters. |
1:45.9 | And that got the security services to investigate the security in the Kremlin. |
1:51.6 | And the Kremlin now, obviously, you know that as a landmark. |
1:56.2 | But in those days, it was where the Soviet leadership lived as well as worked. |
2:01.3 | And it transpired that there were a lot of people within the Kremlin who were plotting |
2:04.8 | against Stalin and the leadership because a lot of people disagreed with their policies. |
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