You're listening to The West Wing Weekly. I'm Rishikesh Your Way.

And I'm Joshua Molina.

And today we're talking about Fridonia, its episode 15 from season 6.

It was written by Pod Favorite Eli Addy. It was directed by Christopher Miseano.

And it first aired on February 16th, 2005.

In this episode, we're in a vice presidential royal rumble just days before the new hamster primary vote.

And it's imperative that Congressman Santos gets into the debate if he's going to have any kind of chance

for continuing his campaign into the future.

Amy Gardner comes back to try and help the Santos campaign, although what her intentions are

exactly in the larger scale of things is a little bit up in the air.

And to talk about this episode, we're joined by our very special friend Eli Addy.

Hooray! A pleasure. As always. You came straight from brunch.

This is true. This is a post-brunch podcast. It might be a little loggy. Exactly.

All the carbohydrates have slowed my circulation.

Yes. But to counter that, Rishie and I have been fasting for three days.

We brunch to follow. Right. Eli, I want to start things off by asking you about the title.

This jumps into the middle of the episode.

Say, did you happen to catch the New Jersey Senate debate last week?

No, sir. Someone asked about the situation in Fredonia.

And Barbara said that he was studying it. Fredonia's fake. It's from a Marx Brothers movie.

It's a great line and it's sort of the prompt for Santos and why he's so hung up on the debate

rules of wanting to have a situation that doesn't just feel like people giving their stump speeches

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