Marshall here, welcome back to the realignment.

My guest on today's episode is Laura Field, author of the recently released Furious Minds,

The Making of the Maganoo Right.

This conversation is about the intellectuals and movements behind the efforts to turn

Trumpism into a durable ideology, driven by, but also extending beyond the presidencies of

Donald Trump.

The figures involved in this story include everyone from Patrick Deneen, author of Why Liberalism Failed, and CRT critic Christopher Rufo, two power pliers like Vice President J.D. Vance and investor Peter Thiel.

What I appreciated about Laura's perspective is that she isn't just writing about the Maga New Right from an outsider's reporting perspective, but like me, spent many

reformative academic years in the space.

Beyond charting the new rights different branches, I hope that we make the case for why

ideas and ideology matter.

One of the big struggles I've had over the past year is convincing centrist's and

center-left people, especially those in elected office, to believe that ideology

isn't just an academic, irrelevant thing, separate from policies and the day-to-day business of politics.

You can rightfully criticize the new rights ideas and answers, for what you can't criticize

is their institution building and talent development,

their ability to staff, their compatriots across all levels of the federal government,

and their successful supersition of the pre-2016 Reagan ideology that dominated the GOP for decades.

The lessons from their experiences has vast implications for left liberalism,

higher education, and the future of the Democratic Party. Hope you all enjoy the conversation.

Laura Field, welcome to The Realignment. Thank you, Marshall. I'm so happy to be here.

I'm so happy to chat with you. So your book, Furious Minds, which is all about the MAGA New Right, came out in November.

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