5917 Rogan Smith Murray Debate!
Freedomain with Stefan Molyneux
Stefan Molyneux
4.6 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 12 April 2025
⏱️ 84 minutes
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Summary
Watch the first 20 minutes of the debate being analysed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg&t=20s
DOUGLAS MURRAY
DAVE SMITH
JOE ROGAN
Expertise: If you freeform for 2 hours on US foreign policy, you are implicitly communicating expertise. I don't know much about Armenian history, so I can't do 2 hours, or anything close.
If someone says: You do not have the rigor of an expert, the answer is not to say: I never claimed to be an expert. The answer is: What is an EXPERT?
Credentialism is dead. Douglas Murray has an undergrad in English.
Big things experts got wrong.
- COVID / VACCINE
- GLOBAL WARMING
- MELTING POT
- IQ RESEARCH
- Psychotropics
- Replication crisis in science
- Not moving heaven and earth to find the source of autism - although diagnosis has gone up with government money for autism
- Media bias - they are 'experts' who claim to be unbiased, and are ridiculously biased
- Feminism - supposed to be about female equality, had morphed into female supremacy, 58.6% in university for instance
- immigration
- welfare state
- depopulation VS WE NEED IMMIGRATION
- intransigence
"Mad in America"
A lot of podcasters come out of frustration with 'experts' - if you like your doctor, you don't go looking for a new doctor
When experts are faced with growing competition (me VS NYT or CNN) what do they do?
I come from the business world, where competition drives innovation - I wrote programs that let end users change the entire system.
You never badmouthed competitors, you positioned your strengths against their weaknesses, learned from them and would never try to get them cancelled by lying about them.
The media/political world is wild - evil compared to business
When we are at Vegas, at conferences, we would go to competitors booths and joke with them - like sports. VS Tonya Harding
Well, media/politics work to get you deplatformed
A lot of people in business had done sports - media, not so much
Murray was talking to Joe, not Dave - to deplatform competitors rather than striving to understand what gives them appeal and an audience, and work to win over their audience. We tried to win over competitors customers in the business world.
BOB IS A MEAN PODCASTER!
Hostility and contempt from Murray was fascinating - I think it comes from despair - we can't save or help people, so silencing them is the only course of action, either because I don't have a good answer, or because the other audience is too dumb and bigoted.
Anti-democratic of course, people can't choose their own podcasts but they can choose their own political leaders.
I didn't advocate for silencing other philosophers - I just tried to win over their audience.
Can you talk about places you've not visited?
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Good evening, everybody. Welcome to your Friday Night Live. We are going to go deep into a very interesting debate. A lot of philosophical depth in this debate. And the debate is Joe Rogan experienced 2303, Dave Smith and Douglas Murray. |
| 0:21.2 | And this was a debate. |
| 0:25.6 | And it's interesting. |
| 0:27.0 | I did double-check this. |
| 0:29.4 | So I've done three shows with Joe Rogan. |
| 0:32.9 | I've done a bunch of shows with Dave Smith back of the day. |
| 0:35.0 | And I did a show with Douglas Murray, I think back in 2017, which is not to throw shade |
| 0:40.9 | on Douglas Murray, but we did a show together. |
| 0:45.4 | So I've actually talked to all three of these men. |
| 0:49.5 | And Joe, I did three times in person. |
| 0:52.6 | And then, of course, with Dave, it was remote, as it was with Douglas. |
| 0:56.8 | So had a little bit of a chat about all of that. |
| 1:02.4 | And this was a very interesting debate. |
| 1:04.5 | And there's a lot to talk about. |
| 1:08.2 | You don't have to have watched the debate in order to gain value out of what it is |
| 1:15.2 | I'm going to talk about. You don't have to, I mean, wouldn't hurt, doesn't hurt, but you don't |
| 1:21.6 | have to have watched the debate to get value out of what it is that I'm going to say. So the question of expertise came up. |
| 1:35.0 | I'm going to go real wide and deep. |
| 1:36.9 | I got a bunch of notes here. |
| 1:38.2 | So, yeah, the show with Douglas Murray is 3738, |
| 1:44.1 | the strange death of Europe. |
| 1:49.2 | So the debate is around expertise. And that's kind of an interesting question. And it's a big |
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