From Relay, this is Upgrade, episode 590. Today's show is brought to you by Gusto Squarespace and delete me.

My name is Mike Hurley and I am joined by Jason Snell. Hi Jason. Hi, Mike. I have

returned to my normal place in the world, which is California. Yeah. Sorry if the studio seems a little

lonely. It does actually. I really enjoyed having you here, but I especially enjoyed recording

in person last week.

It was a lot of fun.

It was a really good time.

It's, I mean, it's great that we hadn't asked up great question about that because it got us to kind of like deconstructed. It's just, it's a lot of fun. It is, I feel like it's almost like a little out of body experience. I was there, you know, and I know I'm on camera, which I am every time, but it's like I'm on camera and everything's positioned in a certain way.

And I'm looking kind of over a microphone at your iPad, which it was like, I felt a little discombobulated, but I think the episode was pretty good. We'll talk about it a little bit. Well, secret is I saved that. I've got a great question until I knew you were going to be Yeah. And then we asked it. Yeah, that's We are not amateurs here. We didn't doing this for 590 episodes. We're professionals. We have, we have ways. Yeah. I have a snow talk question for you that comes from John who wants to know. Jason, you often mention that you do not keep your iPhone in the bedroom. So what do you use as an alarm clock?

Now, first, I want to say, I work out of my garage.

So what makes you think I even need an alarm clock?

How would you know when to get up?

Okay, well, a few things.

First off, the dog.

Second, the cats.

And third, my wife does work in a place that's outside and has an alarm that goes off.

Okay.

That said, I do actually use my Apple Watch when I need an alarm.

Oh, okay.

The Apple Watch goes by the bed in nightstand mode, so I can do that thing, which is, in my

opinion, one of the greatest things that the Apple Watch can do, which is it lights up

in the middle of the night if there's any vibration.

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