Well, there's all categories of employer when it comes to heavy equipment, the construction industry being a big part, both union and non-union construction companies.

Definitely your higher-end wages and pay for equipment operators.

Demand is very good.

We have many companies that are utilizing our services to hire graduates coming out of our

programs from across the country.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, a regular discussion with building industry professionals.

Today I'm joined by John Clobaca of Associated Training Services in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin.

This is Fine Home Building Contributing Editor and Production Manager at TDS Custom

Construction, Ian Schwant.

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So, John, thanks for joining me today.

Thanks for having me, and I appreciate it.

So tell us a bit about your background

and the work you do at Associated Training Services.

Sure, so we're a family organization.

Our father, my two brothers and I are currently the owners and managers of the business.

Our father started the business originally in the late 50s, originally as a truck driving school.

And since then, we've diversified into heavy equipment operation, crane operation,

training and certification, horizontal directional drilling, rigging, and signal person programs are also some of the things that we do.

But I'm the CEO and president of Associated Training Services and ATF Specialized, which are the two entities that offer the heavy equipment training,

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