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Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

59: Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Theory of Mind

Lingthusiasm - A podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics

Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne

Science

4.8743 Ratings

🗓️ 19 August 2021

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Let's say I show you and our friend Gavagai a box of chocolates, and then Gav leaves the room, and I show you that the box actually contains coloured pencils. (Big letdown, sorry.) When Gav comes back in the room a minute later, and we've closed the box again, what are they going to think is in the box? In this episode, your hosts Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne get enthusiastic about Theory of Mind -- our ability to keep track of what other people are thinking, even when it's different from what we know ourselves. We talk about the highly important role of gossip in the development of language, reframing how we introduce people to something they haven't heard of yet, and ways of synchronizing mental states across groups of people, from conferences to movie voiceovers. Announcements: This month’s bonus episode is about some of the linguistically interesting fiction we've been reading lately! We talk about the challenges of communicating with sentient plants (from the plant's perspective) in Semiosis by Sue Burke, communicating with aliens by putting babies in pods (look, it was the 1980s) in Suzette Haden Elgin's classic Native Tongue, communicating with humans on a sailing ship using a sorta 19th century proto-internet in Courtney Milan's The Devil Comes Courting, and taking advantage of the difficulty of translation in communicating poetry across cultures in A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine. https://www.patreon.com/lingthusiasm Join us on Patreon to listen to this and 53 other bonus episodes. You’ll also get access to the Lingthusiasm Discord server where you can discuss your favourite linguistically interesting fiction with other language nerds! https://www.patreon.com/lingthusiasm For links to all the things mentioned in this episode: https://lingthusiasm.com/post/659993200644308992/01-speaking-a-single-language-wont-bring-about

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Lingthusiasm, a podcast that's enthusiastic about linguistics.

0:21.9

I'm Gretchen McCallick.

0:22.9

And I'm Lauren Gorn, and today we're getting enthusiastic about whether you're getting

0:26.8

enthusiastic about theory of mind.

0:29.5

But first, our most recent bonus episode is on translation in fiction, mostly translating

0:34.9

between human languages and non-human languages, but all kinds of translation.

0:39.9

You can get access to this translation episode about some books we've been reading recently,

0:44.9

and 50 other bonus episodes by becoming a patron at patreon.com slash the enthusiasm.

0:49.7

And here's a bit of a preview into the books we talk about.

0:52.1

We talked about Semiosis by Sue Burke,

0:59.6

and a memory called Empire by Arcady Martin, as well as The Devil Comes Cording by Courtney Milan, and Gretchen, you have read Native Tong by Suzette Hayden Elgin.

1:04.3

I finally got around to reading Native Tong, which has been much recommended to me.

1:08.1

A classic piece of linguistic sci-fi. Yes. And you don't have to

1:11.9

have read any of these books beforehand. We don't provide plot spoilers, although we'll talk about

1:16.0

some of the things at the setting. So it's fun whether you've read any of them or not all.

1:20.6

You might end up with some new things to read. You can get access to that episode and all of our

1:24.4

bonus episodes at patreon.com slash linkthusiasm.

1:40.4

Gretchen, I'm going to run an experiment on you.

1:42.5

Okay, I like experiments.

1:43.4

Excellent.

1:49.2

This one involves a lot of a setup, but it's great because you can do it. And if you are listening along, you can also do the experiment along with us.

1:54.7

Great.

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