It's time for episode 589 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay, recorded Wednesday, January 22nd, 2025.

Clockwise, four people, that puts the clock work, but not the work.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined as always by my good friend, my pal, my co-host, the one, the only,

Micah Sargent.

How are you doing today, Micah?

I'm doing well, Dan.

It's true.

We used to put the work and clockwork, and then we outsourced our experience.

That's right.

It's been great.

Yeah, I like it a lot.

My goal has always been to do as little work as possible.

Yay. My goal has always been to do as little work as possible. Yay!

This is, of course, the show where we discuss four tech topics with two fantastic guests to my left this week.

It is the editor-in-chief of no jitter and a frequent podcast contributor over at The Incomparable.

It's Lisa Schmeiser.

Welcome back, Lisa.

Thank you for having me.

I love coming on this podcast.

We love having you. We do indeed. And to my left, another person we love having on the show, creative director and token Scott. It's Christopher Finn.

Welcome back, Christopher. Hello, I come on the show under address. I don't like it.

It's very early for you, isn't it? Do you have to,

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