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🗓️ 4 June 2025
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From an early age, we’re taught that the more you know, the better. But times have changed, as must our approach to learning.
More information is overwhelming, confusing, and slows us down. If information alone were the answer, we’d all be exactly where we want to be. The true indicator of success or failure isn’t the volume of what you know but how effectively you apply that knowledge.
Whether it’s consuming podcasts and books or keeping up with social media on top of our work and family life, many of us spend time learning but struggle to implement what we’ve learned.
That’s why I’m thrilled to welcome Pat Flynn back on the podcast. Pat is a long-time friend, beloved author, entrepreneur, speaker, and host of the Smart Passive Income Podcast. In today’s podcast, and in his newest book, Lean Learning: How to Achieve More by Learning Less, Pat shares a brilliant approach that can change the way you think, learn, develop, and enhance new skills.
In our conversation, you’ll learn the difference between what Pat calls “just-in-time learning” and “just-in-case learning,” how micro mastery enhances our learning process, and how voluntary force functions like setting dates and deadlines helped him succeed in business, public speaking, and even fishing. You’ll walk away with new tools on how you can shift your mindset, apply lean learning to any goal, and start making immediate progress—one small action at a time.
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Achieve Your Goals podcast, the show that empowers you to wake up to your full potential and achieve your biggest goals and dreams. |
0:09.6 | I am your host, Hal Elrod, and I invite you to join us each week as we share actionable strategies to take your life to the next level, |
0:16.6 | as well as interview world-class experts and entrepreneurs who have achieved extraordinary goals |
0:21.9 | themselves and we ask them to give you a peek behind the curtain and teach you exactly what |
0:26.4 | you need to do to do the same. Ready? Here we go. |
0:36.3 | Hello friends. Welcome to the Achieve Your Goals podcast. I am your host, Hal Elrod. And today I am joined by a very special human being, a friend of mine for over a decade, Mr. Pat Flynn. You may know Pat Flynn from the smart passive income podcast. You may know him from the book, Will It Fly or the book Superfans? |
0:55.5 | His new book that he is here to talk about today, Lean Learning, How to Achieve More by Learning Less. |
1:03.2 | This book arrived in the mail two days ago. Pat sent me an advanced copy. And I cannot tell you, |
1:09.8 | I mean, I guess I can tell you, but I don't know if words will do justice, |
1:12.7 | how excited I am to read this book. It's literally, I feel like it's a godsend right now. It's the |
1:17.6 | book that I need in my life right now because I don't know about you, but I am overwhelmed, |
1:21.9 | right? Information overload as Pat talks about why it is the new normal. And think about what that looks like in your life, |
1:28.9 | where you learn, learn, learn, you consume, |
1:32.7 | and you may not make the amount of progress that you want, |
1:36.2 | the measurable progress. |
1:37.5 | And what Pat's new book in today's episode is going to share with you |
1:41.0 | is what he calls lean learning, |
1:43.0 | which is where you define the difference between just-in- lean learning, which is where you define the difference |
1:45.1 | between just in case learning, which is where you're learning a bunch of information that you |
1:48.7 | don't need with just in time learning where you're identifying. What's the minimum amount of |
1:54.0 | knowledge that I need to consume? And then how do I act on it immediately so that I create measurable progress and then create this |
2:03.6 | beautiful flow where that's how you learn from now on. You don't learn everything you need to know. |
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