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588 | George M. Dougherty: Beyond "Unmanned": How Drones Are (and Aren't) Rewriting Warfare

The Realignment

The Realignment

Saager Enjeti, Technology, Policy, News, Marshall Kosloff, International Relations, Politics, News Commentary, Public Policy, U.s. Politics, National Security, Economics

4.82.5K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

George M. Dougherty, author of Beast in the Machine: How Robotics and AI Will Transform Warfare and the Future of Human Conflict, joins The Realignment. Marshall and George discuss how robotics and AI are triggering a military revolution as consequential as mechanization a century ago, why the real story isn't "drones" but "universal precision: a 100-1000x leap in lethality on the battlefield, the need to rethink offense, defense, and initiative, how small states and non-state actors are innovating faster than the U.S. and legacy defense ecosystems, and what today's equivalent of the outmoded WWII battleship is.

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0:00.0

Marshall here, welcome back to the realignment. Hey everyone, welcome to the realignment's first

0:05.5

episode of the year. Today's episode was obviously recorded before we launched the Special

0:10.6

Forces operation that captured Venezuela's President Maduro for arraignment in New York City,

0:16.2

so we won't offer any commentary on that event in the conversation.

0:22.1

I'm going to put together a specific episode on Venezuela, of course, but my ad here is that

0:27.7

the lack of newsiness in this episode gets it what I'm trying to do with this podcast.

0:33.0

The podcast space is really, really, really, really crowded, and you could find lots of different shows

0:38.4

that will give you all of the updates and play-by-play from actual reporters.

0:43.5

The realignment is about the broader debates and revolutions the U.S. and broader world

0:48.4

are going through, and I hope that I can give the bigger context that listeners can plug into actual events as they think

0:56.6

about their own position on them.

0:59.0

So the revolution I'm covering today is the revolution in drones and robotics.

1:05.9

My guest is George Doherty, the author of Beast in the Machine, how robotics and AI will transform warfare

1:11.9

and the future of human conflict. So as I said, today's episode is about the unfolding

1:17.2

revolution in robotics and AI, and why this revolution has massive implications not just for

1:22.7

geopolitics and warfare, but for how we live at home, even if you don't work in defense policy.

1:28.6

Simplest frame is this, what industrialization and mechanization did to warfare a century ago,

1:34.2

robotics and AI are doing now.

1:36.3

In Ukraine, we're getting a preview, not just of the end state, but of the first wave.

1:40.8

And it's producing something that looks eerily familiar, a crisis maneuver, trench-like dynamics,

1:47.0

and brutal attrition.

1:48.7

Not because history repeats, but because technologies again reshaping the relationship between

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