#587: Dan Vaughn joins to talk USL pro/rel, lower leagues, Chattanooga's rivalry

Scuffed | USMNT, World Cup, Yanks Abroad, futbol in America

Adam Belz

Sports, Usmnt, Men's National Team, American Soccer, Us Soccer, Soccer, Mls, U17 National Team, U20 National Team, Youth National Teams, Yanks Abroad

4.8 • 893 Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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El Paso-based Dan Vaughn, the founder of Protagonist Soccer and one of the most knowledgeable people in the country when it comes to lower-league American soccer, joins Watke and Belz for a wide-ranging conversation that often circles back to the CFC-Red Wolves rivalry, geography, and Ricardo Pepi.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the scuff podcast where we talk about U.S. soccer.
0:15.4	Our guest today is an old friend of the podcast and one of the most knowledgeable people in the country when it comes to the evolutions and vacillations of lower level soccer.
0:24.2	He's here to tell us what he thinks of the USL's pro rel gambit, whether it will work, what it will mean for soccer in America, lots of other stuff. Dan Vaughn, welcome to scuffed.
0:36.0	Adam, thanks for having me.
0:38.9	Chris is here too. Chris, how you doing?
0:40.1	I'm doing very well.
0:41.2	I'm doing very well. Dan, what's the appropriate...
0:42.3	Adam said lower level soccer, I think.
0:45.3	What do you prefer the nomenclature for us to use...
0:48.5	I mean, I've called it lower league for so long,
0:50.8	but then you bump into people and they think that's an insult,
0:53.3	and I don't mean it that way. And as much time as I invest in it, I certainly don't mean it as an insult.
0:58.5	We were just talking before we started recording about whether you're a pro-rail zealot.
1:04.8	Well, no, what happened was I said, I thought he was going to be a pro-relle zealot, but I researched he isn't.
1:10.0	And Dan heard that whole thing.
1:11.9	Yeah.
1:12.3	He entered the green room right when Chris started to say that.
1:15.6	I assumed he was talking about me when I bumped into that, yeah.
1:19.2	I'll tell you that I have been covering lower league soccer long enough that I've changed my
1:26.1	mind on plenty of things.
1:28.7	And not only have I changed my mind on plenty of things, I've sort of opened my mind the idea that no one has
1:34.8	the correct answer. It's a combination of things. And we used to joke in sort of the circles
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