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You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Gee, what a struggle, you know?

It was incredible. You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person at just one time. Hello, everybody. Hey, how's it going? Welcome to the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I'm here in Los Angeles. It's good to be with you. I hope you're doing well. Quick reminder here at the top of the proceedings. This show has an official website. It's other ppl.com.

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So my guest today is Brett Easton Ellis.

You might have heard of him.

He's an author.

He has several books out, including the novels,

Less Than Zero, published when he was just 21,

The Rules of Attraction, American Psycho,

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