From Relay, this is Upgrade.

Episode 586.

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My name is Mike Hurley, and I'm joined by Jason Snell. Hi, Jason Snell. Hi, Mike Hurley. How are you? I'm good. We've got a big episode today. We've got a bunch of product reviews, all M5 product reviews to do. Yeah, people might be wondering why, you know, we're doing this on a, why the release is late. And the answer is it's an Apple embargo, that's why. Sorry that we couldn't tell you, but that's just the way these things go. Those are the rules. I have a snow talk question for you that comes from Marcher who wants to know. Jason, what wallpaper backgrounds are you using for IMessage? Do you have the upgrade wallpaper for your conversations with Mike? I've defaulted to using some of

Stephen's 5K MacOS wallpapers.

I also have the Cortex wallpaper

from being a relay member of my brother since he enjoys

that show. Are you using any backgrounds?

You may be in

most of the chats that have backgrounds.

I have to admit it

mostly only ironically.

Yeah.

We have like our chat with you and me and Stephen Hackett has a,

has like a bubbly gray background that is animated.

I think it's meant to be waves.

Yeah.

I had,

I had one on the one I have with about college football with Casey and Stephen. But I think

Stephen basically rolled in there and was like, nope, take it out. Because I had pictures of college

football or pictures of us doing college football or whatever, you know, going to a game and that

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