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ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

585 | Getting to the Boring Middle: What You Need in Place First

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast

Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc

Careers, Business, Investing

4.85.2K Ratings

🗓️ 9 February 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Most people think financial independence is a straight line from broke to retired—it isn't. Progress compounds daily in ways you won't notice if you're only looking at your net worth spreadsheet. Brad and Jonathan break down why the "boring middle" is actually a spectrum of expanding options, not a slog to endure. They walk through the early phases of FI—discovery, awareness, and control—and why understanding your cash flow is the first tangible step toward building financial freedom. A 30-day expense audit sounds basic, but it's the foundation that unlocks everything else: smarter spending cuts, automated savings, and the confidence to optimize investments. The episode also highlights the role of local FI communities in keeping momentum alive when the journey feels slow. Key Tactical Takeaways Conduct a 30-Day Expense Audit: Assess and record all expenses over a month to identify spending habits. Automate Your Savings: Set up automatic transfers to savings or investment accounts to ensure consistent saving with minimal effort. Engage with Local FI Groups: Join or establish local financial independence groups to exchange knowledge, resources, and support within your community. Understand Your Financial Health: Create an income statement to analyze all incoming and outgoing funds regularly. Core Rules & Formulas Rule/Formula Description 30-Day Audit Record all income and expenses for 30 days to gauge spending habits. Autopilot Savings System Automate savings and bill payments to reduce active management. Expense Prioritization Focus on reducing debt first, especially high-interest credit card debt. Investment Strategy Choose low-cost index funds or ETFs with low expense ratios for long-term growth. Tools, Accounts, or Strategies Mentioned Tool/Strategy Description FI Friends Travel Community-based travel planning for FI enthusiasts. Autopay Systems Automatic bill payment setup for consistent financial management. Low-Cost Index Funds Investing in funds that track market indices to minimize fees. Expense Tracking Apps Tools to keep track of spending habits effectively. Resources & References FI Friends Travel Episode 472: "The Cure for the Boring Middle" Episode 262: "Thinking in Bets with Annie Duke" Chapters Introduction — 00:00:00 Local FI Group Highlight — 00:01:40 Discussion on Financial Control — 00:14:00 Understanding Expenses and Income — 00:30:00 Audience Feedback — 00:57:49 Frugal Wins of the Week — 01:00:00 Notable Quotes "Recognize that progress is happening even in the boring middle." — 00:10:38 "Your financial journey is uniquely yours." — 00:45:02 "Take tangible action steps to gain control over your finances." — 00:18:04 "Automating your savings streamlines your financial future." — 00:16:30 Terminology FI — Financial Independence, the state of having sufficient personal wealth to live without having to work actively for basic necessities. (00:09:10) Gamification — The process of applying game principles to motivate engagement in non-game contexts, such as finance. (00:10:48) Autopilot — A system where savings and payments are automatically executed, minimizing the need for active personal management. (00:16:30) Clear Calls to Action Plan Your Next Local FI Meetup: Invite five friends or family members and discuss financial independence topics. (00:03:29) Conduct Your 30-Day Expense Audit: Begin tracking your expenses today to identify areas for improvement. Submit Your Frugal Win: Share your win with the community to inspire others. (01:00:02) ▶ Listen Next: Ep. 586 — How to Do an Expense Audit | Essential Listening

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. On today's episode, we're going to be unpacking the boring middle.

0:04.2

But really, what I wanted to do is discuss the phases of financial independence, because there's

0:09.9

not a boring middle. That's a choice to look at it that way. What there is is a continuum

0:17.3

of power that is accrued to your side of the ledger each and every day if you choose

0:23.5

to look for it. Brad and I thought we were going to go one direction with this episode, and I'm telling

0:27.5

you, as we got into it, and you'll find out the conversation carried itself. This is a must

0:32.6

listen episode, and with that, welcome to choose a bye.

0:42.9

Okay. And with that, welcome to choose a bye. Before we get started, I keep this podcast entirely ad-free for two reasons.

0:47.3

First, this is a FI podcast and I don't want to promote products that I don't want you to buy in the first place.

0:52.7

And second, I really like the clean listening experience of a show where you don't have

0:57.0

to fast forward ads.

0:58.3

To keep it ad free, all I ask of you as a listener is the next time you open a travel rewards

1:02.9

credit card, go to choosefi.com slash cards.

1:06.7

And with that, onto the show.

1:10.6

And to help me with this, I have my co-host brand here with me today. How you doing, buddy? Hey, Jonathan. I'm doing quite well. What's going on by you? Well, I'm excited to get into this episode. I'm going to let everyone know up front. So Brad and I, when we record, we typically do, try to do two episodes, kind of back to back. There's a little bit more continuity there,

1:27.5

but also there's economies of scale with our schedule and getting time together. And so we were

1:31.7

motivated on multiple levels to do this second episode. One, because there's so much good stuff

1:37.1

here to discuss. But two, Richmond is facing some pretty serious inclement weather along with the

1:44.0

entire lower half of the country, I guess. But it says it's coming in, man. By the time this episode goes out, we'll know what happened on the other side. But preparation, opportunity, this is an interesting time to record. It is indeed. Yeah, we got the snowpocalypse coming in for the winter. Is that what they're calling it?

2:01.7

Is that the official term?

2:02.4

Oh, I don't know.

2:19.9

I just made that up. But I think we're going to get over foot, which is going to cripple the city. So, yeah, we'll see. All right. Well, the fire is spreading. I wanted to quickly mention what happened with the St. Louis local group. Yeah, this was wild. we both saw this on our community platform and they were getting set to do a Phi 101 local event. And Kristen Knapp, who is the amazing admin there in St. Louis and has

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