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585. A Social Activist in Prime Minister’s Clothing

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🗓️ 25 April 2024

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Justin Trudeau, facing record-low approval numbers, is doubling down on his progressive agenda. But he is so upbeat (and Canada-polite) that it’s easy to miss just how radical his vision is. Can he make it work?

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0:00.0

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner.

0:06.3

We recently published three-part series on immigration, mostly about the economics of immigration.

0:11.5

The first two episodes were focused on the U.S. and part

0:14.5

three on Canada which has recently turned the volume way up on immigration. They

0:20.0

now taken half a million new permanent residents a year in a country of around 40 million.

0:26.2

For that episode, we interviewed a variety of people, including Canada's immigration minister,

0:31.3

Mark Miller.

0:32.3

There is no doubt that we have made a conscious decision to be an open country and a country that

0:37.2

needs to grow. The reality is we don't have much of a choice. Miller's point was that Canada, like many high-income

0:45.4

countries, has an aging population and a need for more workers in many sectors of

0:51.1

the economy. We did ask Miller about the pressures that immigration

0:55.3

is putting on Canada, especially when it comes to affordable housing, access to health care,

1:00.9

and potential mismatches between immigrants and jobs.

1:05.2

But after we put out that episode, a lot of our Canadian listeners wrote in to say the

1:08.8

pressures were even greater than we knew, especially because Canada wasn't taking in just a half million new permanent

1:15.9

residence a year, but nearly 700,000 international students and 750,000 temporary foreign workers.

1:24.2

So we decided to revisit some of these questions, not with the Minister of Immigration, but with

1:30.8

his boss, the Prime Minister.

1:35.4

You can invite half a million people into your home every year if you're Canada.

1:42.3

Today on Freconomics Radio, my conversation with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and we go way beyond immigration.

1:50.4

We discuss whether to drill baby drill.

1:53.0

We talk about how Canada is reconciling its brutal history with its indigenous population.

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