581 | Are Roth Conversions Necessary?
ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast
Jonathan Mendonsa & Brad Barrett | Choose FI Media, Inc
4.8 • 5.2K Ratings
🗓️ 12 January 2026
⏱️ 66 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Trucify. Today on the show, we have Sean Malini and Cody Garrett, two of my all-time |
| 0:05.4 | favorite guests. And we're going to be talking all things, Roth conversions. So a lot of this is |
| 0:11.6 | thrown around. They're backdoor Ross, mega backdoor Ross, Roth conversion ladders. But what are they all? |
| 0:17.0 | And as these guys told me, there's a lot of interest in taxable Roth conversions, but are they really necessary? |
| 0:24.1 | And we're going to really try to talk through every aspect of this. |
| 0:27.3 | And you're going to leave here with a lot better understanding of all things Roth conversion. |
| 0:32.1 | And with that, welcome to choose that five. |
| 0:46.0 | Before we get started, I keep this podcast entirely ad-free for two reasons. |
| 0:50.4 | First, this is a Phi podcast and I don't want to promote products that I don't want you to buy in the first place. |
| 0:51.7 | And second, I really like the clean listening experience |
| 0:54.6 | of a show where you don't have to fast forward ads. To keep it ad free, all I ask of you as a listener |
| 1:00.0 | is the next time you open a travel rewards credit card, go to choosefi.com slash cards. And with that, |
| 1:06.5 | on to the show. Cody and Sean, so I neglected to say you guys are the authors of the incredible book, |
| 1:15.9 | Tax Planning, Two and Through Early Retirement. |
| 1:18.3 | And the book has been an immense success from what I've seen. |
| 1:21.1 | Huge congrats, guys. |
| 1:22.2 | Thank you, Brad. |
| 1:23.1 | I appreciate that. |
| 1:24.0 | Yeah, we've been excited. |
| 1:25.2 | Like, it's funny, nobody writes a book to make money, |
| 1:44.3 | you know, but we've been excited probably by the time this podcast comes out about 8,000 copies, which, you know, I think about, like, if we were to stack those books, like, how high would they go? Like, it's just really exciting. It's less about the number of books quantitatively, but just thinking, what's the long-term impact of just educating people about the fundamentals of tax planning? |
| 1:48.9 | Yeah. No, it's massive. And I mean, frankly, selling books is really, really difficult. |
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