From Relay, this is Upgrade episode 581 for September 15th, 2025.

Today's show is brought to you by nexos.a.

Opencase, delete me, and Factor. factor my name is mike hurley and i have the

pleasure of being joined in the same country on the same continent for mr jason snow hello mike hurley

our imbalance of you being in the evening and me being in the morning is gone we We are mourning people now as we record this.

You can listen to it, of course, as podcast listeners know, you can listen to this at any time,

day or night. Correct. But we, it's a morning thing. But know that we're early. I asked you

to wake up early. We used to be day and night, basically, but now we are, we are a day. Barely for me, but yes. Great, great, great, great. I have a snow talk question for you, Jason. It comes from Will, who wants to know. Often when a new Apple event comes around, I end up watching some old events to both get in the mood and watch some iconic

announcements like the 2007 I found announcement. Do you ever watch old events at any time during the

year? Unless I am working on a story that requires me to reference an old event. So like when I did

20 Macs for 2020, I watched a bunch of old events or at least parts of them. But otherwise,

no, I was, first off, for most of them, I was there when for the live events. Do you ever, like, think about your memory that you get like the little memory thing and you're like pulling at your memories?

I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking about my memory.

That's, that's sometimes, sometimes I am thinking about my, the funny thing is that, of course, I don't remember any of the, I remember what I covered. And so I don't remember any of the stagecraft or anything other than very, you know, little bits and pieces of notable moments, Steve Jobs throwing a digital camera into the crowd. Steve Jobs telling everybody to turn off their Wi-Fi devices, stuff like that.

But mostly I'm thinking about the stuff that happened thereafter, which is covering all those products. So I will go back and consult for that. You know, funny, it's funny. The things you remember as an attendee end up being very different than the things you remember as a person just watching the events.

So Stephen Hackett will do this, where he'll be like, oh, and there's this thing when they

announced this thing. And my response will be, oh, I had a good seat for that one, or I had a

bad seat for that one, or this person was with me, or that was in this particular venue,

and afterward we did this, right? And it's, it's so much of it is about attending the event and not the content of the event as a memory for me. So, so, so, which, which, which is true then that if I, if I need to go back, I'm gonna go back and, and, and, and, and, the, the ancient texts, uh, but I don't do that very often.

Yeah, I'm the same.

Like, I would watch them only if I was working on something.

Like, I don't really find myself, like, reminiscing in that way.

...