Martial here, welcome back to the realignment.

Hey, everyone, welcome back to the show.

My guest today is CNN's Jake Tapper.

Jake has a new bookout, Race Against Terror,

chasing an Al-Qaeda killer at the dawn of the Forever War.

Race Against Terror tells the story of the only Al-Qaeda fighter successfully prosecuted

for killing American soldiers during the war on terror.

The fighter, known by his Nome de Guerr Spengul, was released from a Libyan prison during

the Arab Spring and immediately confessed on a refugee ship to killing American soldiers in

Afghanistan.

The key word there is prosecuted, which represents how unique using the

civilian court system to prosecute a person who explicitly considered himself at war with the United

States was. The decision to do so, and the story Jake tells raises a bunch of questions. What is the

line between the use of civilian agencies to prosecute terrorism and the use of

the military instead?

We used civilian means to go after our academy in the 1990s, and that was notably unsuccessful.

Did the approach we took towards the military option or with civilian option work, especially,

as Jake and I discuss, the War on Terror Forever War, she was increasingly

out of sight and out of mind, almost 25 years after 9-11. And the right of question of how

our legal system, with its standards of evidence along with the International Court system,

will handle the increasing ways that conflict doesn't look like two uniformed,

technologically evil forces lining up against

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