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The Tim & April Show

58. Here's How Christian Nationalism Leads to Defending Slavery

The Tim & April Show

TNE Media

Politics, News, News Commentary, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 28 October 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

In today's episode, Tim Whitaker and April Ajoy delve into the controversial topic of slavery as discussed in the Bible, particularly focusing on the arguments made by Joshua Haymes. They explore the implications of these arguments within the context of evangelicalism and Christian nationalism, highlighting the contradictions and moral dilemmas that arise from a literal interpretation of scripture. Chapters 05:47 The Role of Historical Context in Biblical Interpretation 11:29 The Debate on Moral Foundations and Slavery 17:17 The Intersection of Christianity and Social Justice 26:11 The Future of Evangelicalism and Its Ideologies 43:58 Interpreting Scripture in Context 58:59 Slavery and Biblical Justifications 01:19:27 Concluding Thoughts on Human Dignity ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to a new evangelicals production.

0:13.1

The Tim and April show, where we unravel faith, politics, and culture.

0:22.4

Hello, friends.

0:23.6

Welcome back to an April show.

0:25.2

I am Tim Whitaker.

0:26.6

I am April a joy.

0:28.5

Okay, April, I've kept you in the dark for this episode a decent amount.

0:34.1

And it's intentional because as I was prepping for it, I thought to myself, I really want

0:38.4

April's first take on what we're going to watch to make sure I'm not missing anything.

0:43.5

So I'm not sure if you saw a little while ago a clip on viral of this guy talking about how

0:48.8

essentially the Bible does in fact, you know, not condemn slavery or regulates it and Christians

0:54.0

should be able to

0:54.6

defend it. Have you seen that clip? Joshua Hames. Yes, right? Yes. I saw, I only saw, though,

1:01.2

the clip that right-wing watch put out, and then I saw a bunch of people replying to that.

1:07.2

It was a shorter clip, though. It wasn't the whole thing. Right thing right well it turns out that i found the full

1:13.2

clip it's actually from a youtube video where he's watching my segment on jubilee against ali sucky

1:20.8

and he actually agrees that i won this this part of the debate where i essentially tell Ali that the Bible condone slavery

1:29.6

and Ali says no, it doesn't.

1:31.1

And I really think this is worth watching his whole segment on.

1:34.4

It's about 15, 18 minutes because it really is a good masterclass for how this right-wing,

1:42.3

like, reformed world thinks about slavery and how slippery they are on

1:46.6

this idea and how, in my opinion, they are setting the foundation for a world where more

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