Human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith joins me for one of the best debates we’ve ever had on Heretics. This is a clash of ideologies on some of the most divisive issues today. SPONSORS: Use Code ANDREW FOR 25% OFF Plaud Note: https://bit.ly/4nJWt7j  Plaud Note Pro: https://bit.ly/423JiWv  Grab your free seat to the 2-Day AI Mastermind: https://link.outskill.com/ANDREWS2  Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at https://mintmobile.com/heretics  Start your MyHeritage journey now with a 14-day free trial using my link: https://bit.ly/AndrewGoldMyHeritage Go to https://TryFum.com/HERETICS  and use code HERETICS to get your free FÜM Topper when you order your Journey Pack today!  Reach out to Clive: [email protected]  Visit his site: https://justiceleague.org.uk Follow him on X: https://x.com/clivessmith And Insta: https://www.instagram.com/clivestaffordsmith We go head-to-head on: - Islam and culture in the West - Socialism, communism, and the idea of utopia - Privilege and identity politics - The death penalty, crime, and justice - Even the shocking reality of witnessing an execution in the electric chair Clive and I disagree on almost everything — but that’s exactly why this conversation matters. If you’ve ever wondered how the “other side” thinks about prisons, privilege, or politics, this is the episode to watch. 👉 Let me know in the comments how you would have argued in my place. What would you have said? Subscribe for more fearless conversations — and keep being a heretic. #IslamDebate #DeathPenalty #HereticsPodcast  Join the 30k heretics on my mailing list: https://andrewgoldheretics.com  Check out my new documentary channel: https://youtube.com/@andrewgoldinvestigates  Andrew on X: https://twitter.com/andrewgold_ok   Insta: https://www.instagram.com/andrewgold_ok Heretics YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@andrewgoldheretics Chapters: 0:00 Clive Stafford-Smith Highlights 2:25 Death Row & Losing A Client 5:25 Joan of Arc - What She Actually Did 8:25 The Reason They Use An Electric Chair! 9:40 Head Caught Fire, Lights Dimmed 11:25 Clive Doesn’t Believe In Prisons! 14:25 P-Philes: What To Do With Them 16:55 Liz Truss vs Keir Starmer 18:45 Clive Was Beaten & Waterboarded At School 21:25 Socialism Debate & Karl Marx 24:55 Utopia 27:25 No True Scotsman - Communist 31:25 The Problem With Be Kind 33:25 Clive Feels He Failed His Father 35:25 The Case of the P-Phile Born That Way 38:25 Those Who Have Offended Should Go To Prison 40:55 Sex Offenders Have to Self-Report 42:55 Coalinga Psychiatric Hospital 45:25 What Trump Said About Charlie Kirk 47:25 What Would Your Last Meal Be? 50:10 Will Charlie Kirk’s Assassin Get Death? 51:25 Convincing an American Jury 56:25 The Dangerous Dopamine Rush 58:25 Clive Representing Muslims Who Try To Convert 1:01:25 What To Do With Religious Extremism 1:05:25 Anti-Semitic Islamists 1:07:25 Hamas vs Netanyahu 1:08:55 The Ultimate Hypocrisy 1:11:15 Jokes About Other People’s Cultures 1:14:10 Letterboxes 1:16:25 White Privilege Debate 1:18:25 Michael Moore 1:21:25 Why We Need Nationalism 1:25:55 A Heretic Clive Admires Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices