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🗓️ 13 July 2017
⏱️ 11 minutes
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0:00.0 | Grammar Girl here today is all about names. I have a quick and dirty tip about how to make |
0:11.1 | names that end in junior, possessive, and a meeting middle about generation names, such |
0:16.4 | as millennial. Let's get started. |
0:20.0 | Donald Trump Jr. has been in the news a lot the last couple of days, and I've seen some |
0:24.4 | pretty funky punctuation on that junior part of his name. On Martin Luther King Jr. Day, |
0:31.0 | we talked about whether you should look at that word, junior, and put a comma before |
0:35.0 | it. I told you people were more likely to use a comma in the past than they are today. |
0:41.2 | The AP style book, the Chicago Manual of Style, and I recommend that you don't use a comma. |
0:48.0 | It is a style choice, and the New Yorker uses the comma, which led to someone writing |
0:54.6 | a headline that read, Donald Trump Jr.'s love for Russian dirt. Donald Trump, comma, |
1:02.0 | junior, period, comma, apostrophe, s. It's a traffic jam of punctuation. |
1:09.9 | On Twitter, Michael Colton, a film and television writer, complained about the punctuation in |
1:14.8 | a tweet that right now has more than 13,000 likes. And he's pretty funny. Today, he's |
1:20.5 | joking that he just sold the rights to his tweet to Lionsgate. At least, I think he's |
1:25.7 | joking. |
1:26.7 | Understandably, the New Yorker got a bit defensive. Andrew Boynton, the head of the copy |
1:31.6 | department, wrote a response explaining the punctuation. Essentially, saying the magazine's |
1:37.3 | style is to put a comma before, and also therefore after, junior. And when that's your style, |
1:43.4 | when you have to make a name possessive, that's what you get. It might look bad, but |
1:47.9 | it's correct. I've never seen a style that says it's okay to put a comma in the middle |
1:53.4 | of a word before the apostrophe s. And Chicago seems to specifically recommend against it. |
2:00.4 | But that's what house styles are about. You get to say, this is how we do things here, |
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