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you and i have a friend in promise every stupid thing that a writer could do i've done. I think it's really beautiful. Big, stated what I struggle, you know? It's incredible. Hello. Hello. Hello. And now here's your host, Brad Listing. Hello. Just one person and just one time. How's it going, everybody? Welcome to the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I am in Los Angeles. It's nice to be with you.

It is nice to have Sarah McCall on the program today. She has a memoir out right now on Live Right Press.

It is called Joy Enough. Joy enough. Joy enough. She was great. She came over not too long ago and she was ready to talk she was ready

to communicate we had it out right here in this garage and i recorded it and by had it out i don't mean

to say that we were arguing or that it was contentious in any way it was great it was delightful

it was friendly and uh we just we talked about great. It was delightful. It was friendly.

And we just, we talked about stuff. We got into it. You're going to hear this in just a moment.

She was a great guest. So, I also want to add that her book is, uh, wonderful. It's a grief memoir.

If I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I may use the word griefy.

Not an easy thing to write about, and she manages to pull it off.

Joy enough, once again, is the title Sarah McCall, the author, and my guest today on the program. So I'm watching my dog right now.

She's supposed to be, like, I'm trying to, like, integrate her into this so that we can be

companions so that she can feel like she's included in as many activities as possible.

But she makes noise.

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