This is Steva Robbins. Welcome to the Get It Done Guys, quick and dirty tips to work less and do more.

I'm here today with Kate Davis and Anisa Purbissari, co-hosts of Secrets of the Most Productive People podcast, and also Deputy Editor and Assistant Editor of Fast Company., Kate and Anisa. Thanks for having us.

So we're going to be talking today about changing careers. And Anisa, I understand you've had

firsthand experience with this. What was your experience with changing careers? Yes, I did. So I originally

started my career as a lawyer in case you can't tell from my accent.

I'm originally from New Zealand. In New Zealand, law was an undergraduate degree. So people

asked me kind of like, oh, you know, you spent all this time in law school just to quit, but I did

a traditional kind of four-year degree. I started college, I think, in 2008, so there was a lot

of kind of panic around whether or not everyone was going to get jobs after graduation. I didn't

intend to practice law. I was thinking that maybe I will go into journalism, but I kind of just got

sucked in because I had interned. I did a summer internship in my second to last year and then I ended up getting

an offer and, you know, the fair, I guess when you're 20 something, you don't really kind of

think about, I don't know, I wasn't really thinking kind of long term and I was just like I

am just lucky to have this job,

so I should just go for it.

And long story short, two years in, I realized it wasn't something that I wanted to do.

I had always wanted to go into journalism, but I had kind of the typical immigrant parents

who said you could either be a lawyer and I think a banker, a doctor or an engineer, you know, the typical

professional careers, but I was just really unhappy.

It was to the point where it was really unsustainable, it was getting really stressed out,

and I was really dreading kind of going to work every day.

And I knew that I was still young enough to start over if I had to, and if I wanted to kind

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