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567. Do the Police Have a Management Problem?

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🗓️ 7 December 2023

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

In policing, as in most vocations, the best employees are often promoted into leadership without much training. One economist thinks he can address this problem — and, with it, America’s gun violence.

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0:00.0

This is a scene we recorded recently at a professional training session in Chicago.

0:16.0

We got to train the way we expect people to perform and sometimes when they don't perform in those use of force situations,

0:21.0

we kind of have to take a step back and go, well, why would they based on the PowerPoint that they just got?

0:26.0

This training was being held at the University of Chicago.

0:29.0

And if you start doing it in your district, you're going to make a difference and you're going to see either use the

0:35.3

force go down or the amount of force used. This is a brand new program called

0:41.2

the Policing Leadership Academy.

0:44.0

Now you may ask yourself police training at the University of Chicago.

0:48.2

This is a school known for its intense undergrad core curriculum, for its

0:54.0

economics department and business school, for its medical and law schools.

0:58.0

Why would they be teaching police officers?

1:01.0

Here's why.

1:02.0

You know, spending time looking at policing

1:05.5

and realizing these aren't high-performing organizations of the sort that you would

1:09.1

expect. That is Jens Ludwig. He is an economist at U Chicago.

1:14.4

He teaches in the Public Policy School,

1:17.2

and he also runs a research center called the Crime Lab.

1:20.9

It's not hard to go sit in a courtroom,

1:23.7

visited prison, or a probation office

1:25.8

to understand how they work.

1:27.0

But policing, really, real policing

1:30.2

is the most opaque part of this.

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